How can anyone possibly defend this game?

[Arthur Morrigan]

It's a shamelessly unoriginal, unpolished mash of every lazy XBLIG cash grab.

-It doesn't even attempt to be subtle about copying Minecraft. Don't even bother trying to defend this by saying all games are inspired by something else. There's a clear difference between being inspired by something and just straight up copying it without any original ideas or your own.

-Nearly every aspect of it lacks any kind of polish or cohesive vision. They literally just threw together whatever was popular and easy.

-The game is disgustingly ugly.

The only thing keeping this from being the ultimate lazy, ugly, unoriginal XBLIG is the lack of half naked anime women.

I'm not trolling. I'm legitimately irritated by just how lazy and uncreative people can be. They even had the gall to increase the price of this like 1000% despite adding nothing meaningful to it that would justify the price over the original release.

[Viper]

引用自 Wardiaper：

I was thinking maybe this is why ignorant people do things like burn books and ban movies. They don't actually read the books or watch the movies - they just form an opinion by watching a movie trailer or the back cover of a book and then demonize those things.

Ignorance is a powerful thing - in a destructive kind of way.

That is truly the last thing I have to say about this. It's an okay game - not great, but not the worst game ever - and I've spent way too much time just defending it's right to exist. I just hope that you are not judged with the same ignorance you are showing. Imagine if every review we read about a game was written by someone who didn't actually play the game, but reviewed it based on a trailer, some screenshots, and a store description.

On the other hand that's like previews like Aliens Colonial Marines. Everyone got so excited about the screenshots, vids, write-ups, but the actual game ended up being universally hated. Funny how everyone formed an opinion based on all the stuff available and it turned out to be completely wrong.

LadyBirdJohnsonAsshole, maybe you can read this an actually take in the message here.

Well said, Wardiaper.

[Fire_scube]

引用自 GnasherBurst：

引用自 Wardiaper：

I was thinking maybe this is why ignorant people do things like burn books and ban movies. They don't actually read the books or watch the movies - they just form an opinion by watching a movie trailer or the back cover of a book and then demonize those things.

Ignorance is a powerful thing - in a destructive kind of way.

That is truly the last thing I have to say about this. It's an okay game - not great, but not the worst game ever - and I've spent way too much time just defending it's right to exist. I just hope that you are not judged with the same ignorance you are showing. Imagine if every review we read about a game was written by someone who didn't actually play the game, but reviewed it based on a trailer, some screenshots, and a store description.

On the other hand that's like previews like Aliens Colonial Marines. Everyone got so excited about the screenshots, vids, write-ups, but the actual game ended up being universally hated. Funny how everyone formed an opinion based on all the stuff available and it turned out to be completely wrong.

LadyBirdJohnsonAsshole, maybe you can read this an actually take in the message here.

Well said, Wardiaper.

+1 Rep for the both of you

[DjArcas]

引用自 LadyBirdJohnsonWildflowerCenter：

It's a shamelessly unoriginal, unpolished mash of every lazy XBLIG cash grab.

Using modern automatic weapons to fight mythical beasts and dragons in a voxel landscape? Doesn't sound unoriginal to me!

[dragoonbb]

引用自 VeTaL：

I'm just enjoying the game, no need to "defend" it.

It is ealry stage game, but it has quite addictive gameplay (much better than most of others early access games) - that's enough for me.

You really don't know this game came out 2-3 years ago do you? No this isn't better then any early access game because most of them are pretty much Guranteed to get better.This ......10-20% chance devs will bother updating it ever.

引用自 Insomniac420：

引用自 LadyBirdJohnsonWildflowerCenter：

Minecraft already had those though.

Wheres the excitement and challenge in MInecraft? Other than redstone?

So you paid 10 extra bucks for challenge that you can just get a mod for Minecraft that does that for free? Seem logical.

[Kuro]

引用自 Banxash：

>defending

We merely enjoy playing a game. It's not like I tell you what you can and cannot like.

Oh by the way, Solitare is literally the worst game ever, why do people defend that.

There are games that are detrimental to the whole industry. Back in the day a whole bunch of these games caused the video game crash of 1983. This is a fine example of one such game, cloning and shovelware ( or a combination of both like this ) should never be defended.

[Insomniac420]

引用自 Fox：

引用自 Banxash：

>defending

We merely enjoy playing a game. It's not like I tell you what you can and cannot like.

Oh by the way, Solitare is literally the worst game ever, why do people defend that.

There are games that are detrimental to the whole industry. Back in the day a whole bunch of these games caused the video game crash of 1983. This is a fine example of one such game, cloning and shovelware ( or a combination of both like this ) should never be defended.

Explain why CMZ is detrimentle to the gaming industry, Yes there are some crappy games out there there always will be. This game is not one of them. If it was I wouldn't of bought it on two platforms.

[Eva Dracona]

引用自 Banxash：

>defending

We merely enjoy playing a game. It's not like I tell you what you can and cannot like.

Oh by the way, Solitare is literally the worst game ever, why do people defend that.

I think maybe he means people who defend it and say its good. its not a good game, its fundementally a bad game but your allowed to enjoy it, everyone has guilty pleasures.

For me its dead island when i 1st got it, i enjoy playing it but its just a pretty poorly made game

[dragoonbb]

引用自 Eva Dracona：

引用自 Banxash：

>defending

We merely enjoy playing a game. It's not like I tell you what you can and cannot like.

Oh by the way, Solitare is literally the worst game ever, why do people defend that.

I think maybe he means people who defend it and say its good. its not a good game, its fundementally a bad game but your allowed to enjoy it, everyone has guilty pleasures.

For me its dead island when i 1st got it, i enjoy playing it but its just a pretty poorly made game

People that like a game would say "oh I enjoyed it". People that Know how to review a game will say"Oh I enjoyed it but that does not excuse such and such."

Do I think people will enjoy castleminerZ? Yes cause they don't know anything about game design or care about games being "orginal". Doesn't excuse reviewers that know about game mecanhics,level design, programing, etc, from saying this is a quick cash grab title to leech off the success of minecraft.

[Kartoffelsuppe]

引用自 LadyBirdJohnsonWildflowerCenter：

It's a shamelessly unoriginal, unpolished mash of every lazy XBLIG cash grab.

-It doesn't even attempt to be subtle about copying Minecraft. Don't even bother trying to defend this by saying all games are inspired by something else. There's a clear difference between being inspired by something and just straight up copying it without any original ideas or your own.

-Nearly every aspect of it lacks any kind of polish or cohesive vision. They literally just threw together whatever was popular and easy.

-The game is disgustingly ugly.

The only thing keeping this from being the ultimate lazy, ugly, unoriginal XBLIG is the lack of half naked anime women.

I'm not trolling. I'm legitimately irritated by just how lazy and uncreative people can be. They even had the gall to increase the price of this like 1000% despite adding nothing meaningful to it that would justify the price over the original release.

"How can anyone possibly defend this game?"

Not everyone is gifted with Intelligence, I met some incredible retarded people after I left school & started to work & those are all over the planet, this is the only explanation I have so far.

[Yoegy]

I'd like to point out that in order to have a well informed opinion about something, you dont need to participate, own, play, watch, etc. it, what you need is to look at facts, comming from different sources, ( the more the better since you can filter out weed from facts, in this case reviews, screenshots, streams, etc) and weight them against each other. I imagine most historians have an opinion on the roman empire despite them never living in it.

To the poeple who compared this to movies, if the developers would take this much from Lord Of the Rings, they would be sued by WB within the hour.

There is nothing wrong in having an opinion on something, but that doesn't necessarily mean its good or bad. To decide that you weight facts against each other.

Facts on this game are:
-Its not new, it was released 2011.
-The PC port doesnt feature much improvement on the original game, despite being in development for cirka 6 months now.
-Xbox price: 1 $
-Steam price: 9 euros (without the present 15% discount)
-The game did fairly well on the xbox. (It must be pointed out that it didn't have to compete against minecraft at the time of release, since it was not out on xbox)

My 2 cents:
From a buisness standpoint, this game was a genius idea back in 2011, since it made much more money back, than actual idea went into it, the same way call of duty sells every year. Seeing the success of minecraft and dayz, we are getting flooded by a metric tonn of these kinda games, most of them are subpar compared to the originals. From a gamers standpoint, this is a bit worrying, since it can decrease the overall quality of games (just look at the coverbased shooters gears of war insipred).

[Camellia]

引用自 LadyBirdJohnsonWildflowerCenter：

引用自 Insomniac420：

This coming from the gamer whose collection of games mostly have less than an hr played...

You mean like most people on Steam?

Shut up, your flaming, really hard. If you dont have anything nice to say, take your not so nice words somewhere else.


And to quote about every single person on this thread(minus a few) Minecraft isn't original, so keep that in mind. Yes, I'm serious. Notch admitted he got the idea off another game. To also make a second point, when this released in 2011, Minecraft was still rising to power, so it's not like this game just hopped on and starting feeding off of Minecraft sales, it rose to success with Minecraft.

[Schuka5]

引用自 Captain Falcon：

引用自 LadyBirdJohnsonWildflowerCenter：

You mean like most people on Steam?

Shut up, your flaming, really hard. If you dont have anything nice to say, take your not so nice words somewhere else.


And to quote about every single person on this thread(minus a few) Minecraft isn't original, so keep that in mind. Yes, I'm serious. Notch admitted he got the idea off another game. To also make a second point, when this released in 2011, Minecraft was still rising to power, so it's not like this game just hopped on and starting feeding off of Minecraft sales, it rose to success with Minecraft.

The majority of people understand that Minecraft was inspired by Infiniminer. The prime difference is Infiniminer was open source, meaning that anyone could utilize this model and run with it. Notch tooks this and ran with it, ran with it making it probably the most famous indie titles in recent history.
Can CastleMinerZ take inspiration from Minecraft? Certainly, there plenty of game developers who have taken inspiration from Notch period. But the fact you're debating that this title actually rose alongside Minecraft is completely untrue. Minecraft was already extremely popular in 2011, and even then around 2010 was when Minecraft's popularity started to skyrocket uncontrollably. The reason I state this is because in the time frame and what system it was placed under it could quite easily be considered a method of trying to cash in on the gold mine that is Minecraft, especially when it was clearly not released on Xbox 360 at the time.

Am I saying all of this to spite the developers/game? No. I can quite easily say that if the game developers wished it, they could easily take this game and push it forward to new boundaries.

Will I be buying it in the near future? More than likely not, because right now there is nothing special about it that I cannot get from another title with added risk/reward. (Rust for example)

You calling him out as a flamer is worthless because he holds very valid points, especially to the fact that with just pure videos of gameplay can show that there isn't much to offer from this game (yet -which I say with a very thin, very easily breakable twig-). The worst factor is that this isn't even classified as an Early Access title, therefore implying that this game is actually complete rendering many of my statements stating that they could actually back this title, completely false. Where it going by that standard.

[thetundraterror]

This game is just a Minecraft rip off. The only reason this 'game' got made was because there was a rush to get a Minecraft clone onto XBLA before the real deal got made.

[BrawlerGamma]

Something most people posting here seem to have trouble understanding is that OP is not saying anything about your opinions; he's made it clear you're allowed to like what you like. His point is that it has objective flaws. Seriously, devs? You couldn't be bothered to do a single thing to actually make it a PC game rather than a port of an Xbox game? There's a special place in Hell. Anyway, you're allowed to like it; even I think a few things about it look kind of interesting, but what OP wants you to explain to him is how you're able to convince yourself that these things aren't problems, or that it's not a blatant Minecraft rip-off and cash-grab when it so clearly is. I'm curious myself. I criticize the games I like when I see flaws; I ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ loved Kirby: Return to Dreamland--beat it 100% on both normal and extra modes, beat The Arena and The True Arena--and I have spent a decent amount of time ranting about certain things about it that made it bad. I tore it apart, and I love the game.