Fun game until they make you play as an evil character

[Me Lance]

There is nothing fun about playing Abby at any point in the game. It's frustrating to be forced to play as someone who is not the main character and who is evil to their core.

[GoldInfinit7]

This game requires an open mind. When I played it back 4-5 years ago, it was a surprise for me also that you get to play as Abby after everything that happens when playing as Ellie. Different people react differently when they switch back to Abby. My actual reaction back then was that at least I can finally get some answers because there are at least two sides to a story.

So, basically, resist the temper tantrum urge to quit this game and keep playing.

[Affronter]

“Evil”?

Perhaps just misunderstood by the casual observer.

[Me Lance]

There are very few things that make me call someone evil but torturing someone for self gratification is one.

[MF COOM]

I think most of the people who criticise this part of the game are incapable of empathy.

[Dr. Peppermill]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Me Lance:

There are very few things that make me call someone evil but torturing someone for self gratification is one.

Maybe the man who killed her own father and robbed humanity of a cure deserved it, don’t you think ? BTW Joel killed at least 30 people in that hospital before that.

[Me Lance]

No. That doesn't justify torture.

[Dr. Peppermill]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Me Lance:

No. That doesn't justify torture.

LOL Let’s be gentle to all mass murderers, maybe even reward them.

[BunnySpirit]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Dr. Peppermill:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Me Lance:

There are very few things that make me call someone evil but torturing someone for self gratification is one.

Maybe the man who killed her own father and robbed humanity of a cure deserved it, don’t you think ? BTW Joel killed at least 30 people in that hospital before that.

Let’s not forget why he did what he did, right? Otherwise, it kind of comes off like you didn’t really understand the first game. A lot of people would’ve made the same choice, Ellie was his second chance at having a daughter.

Honestly, I think the whole story would’ve landed way better if there had been a spin-off or a separate game where you play as Abby before this one. Maybe even without knowing that your enemies are the characters from the first game, and then everything comes full circle with that final confrontation from Part II. Because instead of people dropping the game or straight-up hating Abby and being put off by her actions, they would actually care about her. They’d feel conflicted, and that’s powerful storytelling. But as it stands, it’s incredibly hard to connect with Abby or feel anything meaningful about what she goes through.

[Azathothist]

I can't say that I've enjoyed playing as Abby, but I will say that the narrative is really indicative of the cyclical nature of revenge; you revenge someone, only for the other party to seek revenge against you and so forth; it becomes a never ending cycle of revenge until at least one party involved is dead. That's why I feel like we're MEANT to empathize with Abby just as much as we are with Ellie. They're both meant to be presented as wounded parties out for revenge.
That said, we get a whole game to get to know and get attached to Joel and Ellie; it's hard to feel much for Abby when her story and motivation is, comparatively, shoved in as a side-story. I think that's partially why I have a hard time enjoying playing as her. Just my thoughts.

[Joe Cool]

The game tries really hard to manipulate you into liking Abby over Ellie.

The problem is that the writer is a moron with zero talent for storytelling.

Everything about Abby is centered around framing her as a good person. From helping her saint of a father save animals, to saving children, to rescuing companions, even down to petting/playing with dogs. She even has a fear of heights (just in case you weren't empathizing with her enough)

On the flip side Ellie is made out to be a murderous revenge focused killer who pretty much does nothing but kill people, and kill dogs. (in one case you are forced to kill the very same dog you pet/play with as Abby in an unavoidable qte cutscene)

However the writing is so lazy and sloppy that it has the opposite effect for anyone who can recognize their attempts to manipulate. Especially considering the other elements they threw in that don't fit and actually make Abby seem like a bad person.

I mean think about it, she brutally tortures and kills a man without the slightest bit of hesitation, right after he saved her life, all because (in her mind) this man needlessly murdered her perfect saint of a father. However her father was basically the one who caused his own death. If the doctors in that room had backed off and let Joel take Ellie, they would still be alive, and would still be able to create a cure if Ellie returned or they found another person who was immune.

Then she abandons two children, one of them severely injured, without hesitation. Only to return later because she's suddenly feeling guilty and wants to do some good.

Having Joel save her life was one of the dumbest things the writer could have done, next to making her father the man who lunged at Joel with a scalpel and caused him to open fire in self defense. There are so many other characters that could have been her father, so many better ways they could have had her find Joel and enact her revenge. They could have had Ellie find Joel afterward, instead of trying to make Abby seem like an even better person by stupidly letting Ellie and Tommy live. (While Ellie was screaming that she would kill them)

Truly the only reason to play the game is for the superb combat and stealth mechanics.

[Weaver]

You only played Joel in part 1. He murdered so many people, tortured them, and trafficked a child cross country all with the attention of her being carved up like a thanksgiving turkey. Then at the key moment, he turns a 180 and goes against Ellie's wishes and murders a doctor who was about to save millions of lives and alter the course of human history. All because he projected the feelings he had of failing his actual daughter on Ellie. Then to top it off Joel lies to Ellie about it then has the audacity to act hurt when she refuses to speak to him once she learns the truth.

Then you had Ellie in part 2, who got her friend killed, nearly got her pregnant friend killed, and murdered a pregnant woman, all on some stupid revenge vendetta. She tortures people along the way. Then she leaves her significant other and a young infant she was responsible for to continue that revenge vendetta, against a person who spared her life twice. Ellie is a complete psycho who gives no thought to how her actions effect others. Of course Joel basically made her that way, what with being a terrible role model and laying like the biggest guilt on her possible, Her knowing she is alive at the expense of millions of others and the future of humanity...against her wishes.

[Dr. Peppermill]

There aren't "good guys" in this game, I don't know why some people can't understand it.

"The Last Of Us" means the last parts of humanity left into people, pretty much every adult is a cold blooded killer and survival of the fittest is in play everywhere. People arguing who is worse, Joel, Ellie or Abby just waste their time.

[H u n k]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Joe Cool:

next to making her father the man who lunged at Joel with a scalpel and caused him to open fire in self defense.

That is the one Thing that never made sense to me in the TLoU Storyline. You have this seasoned Survivor who just raged like a Storm through a Platoon of heavily armed Fireflies, knowing he is after Ellie, and this guy thought it would be a good idea to threaten him with his tiny scalpel...? really just should have tried reasoning with Joel or stay out of his way.

that being said, I don't remember the Doctor ''lunging'' at Joel. Also I like to think that instead of shooting him, Joel taking the scalpel off the Doctors hands and killing him with it is canon.

[Senki]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Dr. Peppermill:

There aren't "good guys" in this game, I don't know why some people can't understand it.

"The Last Of Us" means the last parts of humanity left into people, pretty much every adult is a cold blooded killer and survival of the fittest is in play everywhere. People arguing who is worse, Joel, Ellie or Abby just waste their time.

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All the people trying to pretend that their favorite person is ''ackshually the good guy in the story'' are dumb af and don't get the story at all.

Ellie isn't good, Abby isn't good and they didn't try to make anyone good.

Joel is definitely the last person anyone should ever try to argue about being a good guy. He definitely cared a lot about Ellie but that doesn't magically make him a good person.

Abby was more supposed to be a parallel to Joel, she was a complete a*shole until she formed a bond with a child and got on the road to becoming better, just like Joel did.

[boRZ]

weak play-gangster, may happen to stumble wummble their way to Joel saving Abby, twice.
♥♥♥♥♥ didn't bat an eye, started swanging. team went night night by ellie won by juan