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PERTIM

Apr 12 @ 7:11am

Ellie vs Abby

Ellie for me. The best character. I didn't like Abby. The story in The Last of Us 2 disappointed me at the end

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Mason Apr 12 @ 4:40pm

The people who played TLOU1 and got angry when Joel saved Ellie are missing the ability to have interpersonal empathy and operate more like a bug hive mind with bad relationship with my father syndrome.

Trying to force the player to develop sympathy for the gorilla in the sequel by sabotaging Ellie's personality and Joel's character was narrative stupidity built as a result of weak story telling and promoting a current day message culminating in a limp wrist "ending the cycle of bloodshed" cliche' ".

Last edited by Mason; Apr 12 @ 4:50pm

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eer Apr 12 @ 5:05pm

Joel was the lamest character evar in videogames, just a cringe white savior.

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Imhigh Apr 12 @ 5:06pm

Muh current day messages and morals

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eer Apr 12 @ 5:07pm

Only thing better would hvae been if it was a PoC that took his live

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Senki

Apr 12 @ 5:18pm

Originally posted by Mason:
The people who played TLOU1 and got angry when Joel saved Ellie are missing the ability to have interpersonal empathy and operate more like a bug hive mind with bad relationship with my father syndrome.

Trying to force the player to develop sympathy for the gorilla in the sequel by sabotaging Ellie's personality and Joel's character was narrative stupidity built as a result of weak story telling and promoting a current day message culminating in a limp wrist "ending the cycle of bloodshed" cliche' ".

Nobody got angry at Joel for saving Ellie, we just understand that it was nothing more than a selfish decision on his part and a situation where he's the only one that wins anything.

If anything it's the people who can't understand why other characters would be pissed at Joel that lack empathy and comprehension skills.

As for Ellie's personality, I don't think anyone remains the same as their 14 year old self. Joel's character made sense, he was getting old and the new civilized life made him more trusting/friendly which ended up with him dead. He was already getting soft in part 1 because of Ellie.

Last edited by Senki; Apr 12 @ 5:19pm

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Mason Apr 12 @ 5:34pm

Originally posted by Senki:
Nobody got angry at Joel for saving Ellie, we just understand that it was nothing more than a selfish decision on his part and a situation where he's the only one that wins anything.

>he's the only one that wins anything

You know that Ellie is alive because of him right?

Originally posted by Senki:
If anything it's the people who can't understand why other characters would be pissed at Joel that lack empathy and comprehension skills.

Ah yes you see the morale option here is to let the committee dissect your daughter's brain on a hunch for the good of the people!

Originally posted by Senki:
As for Ellie's personality, I don't think anyone remains the same as their 14 year old self. Joel's character made sense, he was getting old and the new civilized life made him more trusting/friendly which ended up with him dead. He was already getting soft in part 1 because of Ellie.

Yeah, remember how soft he was becoming when he gunned down an entire hospital to save his daughter?

Last edited by Mason; Apr 12 @ 5:35pm

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Frag Maniac Apr 12 @ 5:41pm

I like the gameplay Abby gets, especially the monster battles she has, I just don't like her look much. Although I can't say Ellie has really gotten any better looking as she's aged either. I guess in an apocalyptic setting though, one can't be too picky about such things.

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Imhigh Apr 12 @ 7:08pm

Originally posted by Mason:
Originally posted by Senki:
Nobody got angry at Joel for saving Ellie, we just understand that it was nothing more than a selfish decision on his part and a situation where he's the only one that wins anything.

>he's the only one that wins anything

You know that Ellie is alive because of him right?

Originally posted by Senki:
If anything it's the people who can't understand why other characters would be pissed at Joel that lack empathy and comprehension skills.

Ah yes you see the morale option here is to let the committee dissect your daughter's brain on a hunch for the good of the people!

Originally posted by Senki:
As for Ellie's personality, I don't think anyone remains the same as their 14 year old self. Joel's character made sense, he was getting old and the new civilized life made him more trusting/friendly which ended up with him dead. He was already getting soft in part 1 because of Ellie.

Yeah, remember how soft he was becoming when he gunned down an entire hospital to save his daughter?

Whose going to tell him Ellie isnt his daughter lol. Bro didnt play the game

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StopItStepBro has The Last of Us™ Part II Remastered

Apr 12 @ 7:11pm

The world-building around Abby's story was far better than Ellie's but as far as narrative goes, ellie's had a stronger base line story.

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defcon2008 has The Last of Us™ Part II Remastered

Apr 12 @ 9:49pm

Originally posted by Stellar ❤️💙💛:
F**K abby, absolutely hate that c**t and hate devs that force us to play her, too bad can't shoot everyone in the head in their base!

The amount of times I killed Abby just to see her die was so satisfying. I just can’t understand how anyone playing through the first game could root for Abby. F***ing hate her so much and no amount of back story feel good sh*t made me feel any differently at the end.

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Senki

Apr 13 @ 9:57am

Originally posted by Mason:
>he's the only one that wins anything

You know that Ellie is alive because of him right?

The same ellie that wanted to give her life for a chance at a cure, the ellie that got angry at him for doing it? Ok.

Originally posted by Mason:
Ah yes you see the morale option here is to let the committee dissect your daughter's brain on a hunch for the good of the people!

It's literally an apocalypse situation and Ellie could've helped to fix it all. Yes, that literally is the good moral choice.

I understand why he saved her, I would've done the same. But you can't expect characters who couldn't care less about Ellie to forgive Joel for making that decision. From their POV he simply murdered their family/friends and ruined a shot at making progress towards a cure on top of it.

Originally posted by Mason:
Yeah, remember how soft he was becoming when he gunned down an entire hospital to save his daughter?

You're asking me if I remember how the guy that started the game as someone who treated her as nothing more than a delivery package ended up risking his life in a pretty dumb fight to save her? Yeah, I do.

With every sentence and point you make, all you're showing is that you have no real arguments . Hell you're showing that you can't even comprehend a story as basic as TLOU. Unlucky for you.

Last edited by Senki; Apr 13 @ 10:01am

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PONPOKO

Apr 13 @ 10:09am

I'm more attached to Ellie because of the first game.

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Mason Apr 13 @ 11:00am

Yeah I agree the first game was much better than ABBY STRONG, ABBY SMASH!

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Vox Maximus has The Last of Us™ Part II Remastered

Apr 13 @ 12:24pm

Originally posted by Mason:
Yeah I agree the first game was much better than ABBY STRONG, ABBY SMASH!

The 1st game is very simplistic. 2nd is much MUCH better.

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Kianooshsh Apr 13 @ 12:36pm

Ellie and Abby are both very well written and complicated characters.
personally I love Ellie more. but naughty dog had a hard job for making Abby come to life and they did a great job

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