Does anyone else kind of like Abby?

[sigina ✝]

I'm not someone who's into ''woke'' games and characters, but honestly, this is a good game. Almost everyone seems to hate Abby, but no matter how you feel about her, it’s hard not to feel some sympathy. I was upset she killed Joel too, but it makes sense when you realize he was the one who killed her dad. I also liked her parts of the game because it shows a different perspective. She kind of becomes this anti-hero, and the dynamic between her and Owen keeps things fresh, especially with the flashbacks.

[Heisenberg]

Originally posted by Stoibs:

Originally posted by Heisenberg:

A villain is a villain
A hero is a hero
An anti hero is an anti hero

Originally posted by Heisenberg:

I really haven't "figured" anything new.

Yeah no kidding..
Why are you telling on yourself like this.

Originally posted by Heisenberg:

yet she acted in self-defense.

when these two struggle free and try to fight back to save their own lives from this psychopath.

???????????/
Are we still talking about Mel and Owen?

Originally posted by Stoibs:

Originally posted by Heisenberg:

A villain is a villain
A hero is a hero
An anti hero is an anti hero

Originally posted by Heisenberg:

I really haven't "figured" anything new.

Yeah no kidding..
Why are you telling on yourself like this.

Originally posted by Heisenberg:

yet she acted in self-defense.

We're literally engaging in the 'Villain in someone else's story' message that you keep wanting to ignore and pretend doesn't exist.

Ok let me repeat that one more time:

A villain is a villain
A hero is a hero
An anti hero is an anti hero

[IT'S MORBIN' TIME]

Originally posted by Stoibs:

Originally posted by Heisenberg:

A villain is a villain
A hero is a hero
An anti hero is an anti hero

Originally posted by Heisenberg:

I really haven't "figured" anything new.

Yeah no kidding..
Why are you telling on yourself like this.

Originally posted by Heisenberg:

yet she acted in self-defense.

Uhuh.
Kind of glossing over and omitting the part where she went and wholesale slaughtered dozens of people, broke into someone else's home, threatened each of them with murder after killing all their friends.....but that's all ok and your calling it 'self defence' when these two struggle free and try to fight back to save their own lives from this psychopath.

We're literally engaging in the 'Villain in someone else's story' message that you keep wanting to ignore and pretend doesn't exist.
You have a very 'black and white' view of the world it sounds like, and you don't seem capable of understanding nuance or context.

Here comes an average Abby's fan trying to prove that Ellie is bad and Abby did nothing wrong LMAO

[Stoibs]

Originally posted by IT'S MORBIN' TIME:

and Abby did nothing wrong LMAO

I don't recall ever having this stance.
Infact I've repeated over and over again how everyone sucks, and everyone is a villain depending on who's perspective you are considering.

Don't come into random conversations and arbitrarily try to put words into someone's mouth please.

[IT'S MORBIN' TIME]

Originally posted by Stoibs:

Originally posted by IT'S MORBIN' TIME:

and Abby did nothing wrong LMAO

Don't come into random conversations and arbitrarily try to put words into someone's mouth please.

I will do whatever I want

Originally posted by Stoibs:

Originally posted by IT'S MORBIN' TIME:

and Abby did nothing wrong LMAO

everyone is a villain depending on who's perspective you are considering.

That's one of the worst statements ever said

[Stoibs]

Opinion noted.

[robilar5500]

Originally posted by Heisenberg:

More like, the way he trusted a bunch of strangers to enter one room with them.
That aside I wonder how Abby could've known that our Joel was the Joel.

He introduced himself and it was super obvious he was THE Joel, lol. You haven't actually played the game, have you?

[Heisenberg]

Originally posted by robilar5500:

Originally posted by Heisenberg:

More like, the way he trusted a bunch of strangers to enter one room with them.
That aside I wonder how Abby could've known that our Joel was the Joel.

He introduced himself and it was super obvious he was THE Joel, lol. You haven't actually played the game, have you?

And how did he make it super obvious?

[J4MESOX4D]

Originally posted by Heisenberg:

Originally posted by robilar5500:

He introduced himself and it was super obvious he was THE Joel, lol. You haven't actually played the game, have you?

And how did he make it super obvious?

Abby's group were pursuing the people responsible with some intelligence hence the direction they were heading in and it was clear by the dialogue that they knew after Tommy introduced himself and Joel, that they found the right one.

[Heisenberg]

Originally posted by J4MESOX4D:

Originally posted by Heisenberg:

And how did he make it super obvious?

Abby's group were pursuing the people responsible with some intelligence

Now it just happened that they found Joel and Tommy the right place and the right time.
Damn what a terrible storytelling.

And who gave them the info about how Joel and Tommy look like?

Originally posted by J4MESOX4D:

Originally posted by Heisenberg:

And how did he make it super obvious?

it was clear by the dialogue

And in the dialogue all Tommy and Joel did was that they said their names.

[J4MESOX4D]

Originally posted by Heisenberg:

Originally posted by J4MESOX4D:

Abby's group were pursuing the people responsible with some intelligence

Now it just happened that they found Joel and Tommy the right place and the right time.
Damn what a terrible storytelling.

And who gave them the info about how Joel and Tommy look like?

Originally posted by J4MESOX4D:

it was clear by the dialogue

And in the dialogue all Tommy and Joel did was that they said their names.

It's not hard to stumble across people in certain areas when there are not many around especially if you are acting upon intel. It's also not hard to identify people and their associates and Joel was quite known. You clearly haven't played the game - I'd guess you've watched a couple of parts of YouTube videos and formed an entire conclusion from those.

I'd rather they didn't beat around the bush and got on with the game rather than going through laps of mental gymnastics just to establish how they got to where they are when you start. The world can revolve even if players aren't actively playing in it and the last thing anyone would've wanted was a tacked-on 10 hour prologue segment establishing Abby's motive and direction from scratch.

[Heisenberg]

Originally posted by J4MESOX4D:

Originally posted by Heisenberg:

Now it just happened that they found Joel and Tommy the right place and the right time.
Damn what a terrible storytelling.

And who gave them the info about how Joel and Tommy look like?



And in the dialogue all Tommy and Joel did was that they said their names.

It's not hard to stumble across people in certain areas when there are not many around especially if you are acting upon intel. It's also not hard to identify people and their associates and Joel was quite known. You clearly haven't played the game - I'd guess you've watched a couple of parts of YouTube videos and formed an entire conclusion from those.

I'd rather they didn't beat around the bush and got on with the game rather than going through laps of mental gymnastics just to establish how they got to where they are when you start. The world can revolve even if players aren't actively playing in it and the last thing anyone would've wanted was a tacked-on 10 hour prologue segment establishing Abby's motive and direction from scratch.

So... what you're saying is that Joel was known everywhere and everyone knew he killed the fireflies?

[Joe Cool]

There's one main reason why I despise Abby.

The idiot hack of a writer that has no talent at all and thought up one of the worst stories ever to see the light of day... tried WAY WAY WAAAAAAY too hard to manipulate us into liking Abby and hating Ellie.

Particularly the way Abby encounters multiple dogs that she can pet/play with, and then shortly afterward you are literally forced to kill those same dogs as Ellie. That was the moment I started hoping that Abby would die a horribly painful agonizing death at some point in the game.

The extremely poor, unskilled attempt to manipulate people into liking her resulted in me ranking Abby as one of the worst fictional characters ever conceived in human history.

[J4MESOX4D]

Originally posted by Heisenberg:

Originally posted by J4MESOX4D:

It's not hard to stumble across people in certain areas when there are not many around especially if you are acting upon intel. It's also not hard to identify people and their associates and Joel was quite known. You clearly haven't played the game - I'd guess you've watched a couple of parts of YouTube videos and formed an entire conclusion from those.

I'd rather they didn't beat around the bush and got on with the game rather than going through laps of mental gymnastics just to establish how they got to where they are when you start. The world can revolve even if players aren't actively playing in it and the last thing anyone would've wanted was a tacked-on 10 hour prologue segment establishing Abby's motive and direction from scratch.

So... what you're saying is that Joel was known everywhere and everyone knew he killed the fireflies?

You don't make that much noise and think the world doesn't dynamically revolve. Things happen but that doesn't mean they have to be conveyed at every step in a game because people are too narrow-minded or need hand-holding to babysit them through a narrative. It's also a videogame so try not to take it so seriously

[Heisenberg]

Originally posted by J4MESOX4D:

Originally posted by Heisenberg:

So... what you're saying is that Joel was known everywhere and everyone knew he killed the fireflies?

Things happen but that doesn't mean they have to be conveyed at every step in a game because people are too narrow-minded or need hand-holding to babysit them through a narrative.

When I play a video game like TLOU, I expect the story and its' events to be explained logically.

[J4MESOX4D]

Originally posted by Heisenberg:

Originally posted by J4MESOX4D:

Things happen but that doesn't mean they have to be conveyed at every step in a game because people are too narrow-minded or need hand-holding to babysit them through a narrative.

When I play a video game like TLOU, I expect the story and its' events to be explained logically.

You don't need to be spoonfed exposition on this level. Sometimes you just have to take things as they are presented. It's weird that with all the woeful writing and farcical situations in this sequel that you choose to fixate on the narrative in its most basic of sense which is not an issue. There are way bigger concerns outside of the core story and its motives.

There really is no need to bog an already narratively convoluted and needlessly detailed story further with an Abby play-by-play after discovering her father's death. Some people just want to get on with the story as seen.