Does anyone else kind of like Abby?

[sigina ✝]

I'm not someone who's into ''woke'' games and characters, but honestly, this is a good game. Almost everyone seems to hate Abby, but no matter how you feel about her, it’s hard not to feel some sympathy. I was upset she killed Joel too, but it makes sense when you realize he was the one who killed her dad. I also liked her parts of the game because it shows a different perspective. She kind of becomes this anti-hero, and the dynamic between her and Owen keeps things fresh, especially with the flashbacks.

[J4MESOX4D]

To be honest, her part of the game was actually the better of the entire story and she did have some justification for killing Joel at the start. Sadly the developers absolutely butchered every other main character in the game to seemingly champion her and in the end you just end up hating everybody and despising the conclusion.

[robilar5500]

Abby turned out to be the coolest TLOU character IMO.

[Kr0niic]

Yeah, her part of the story is amazing and better than abbys. Hated her at first cause of course. But grew to love her.

She is absolutely fantastic.

[JD]

I ended up liking Abby a lot more than Ellie. Abby was so helpful, while Ellie comes across as a self-absorbed emotional mess.

[GV_416ᅚ]

I love her, great character. But I started hated her so much.

[Stoibs]

Abby's section is more interesting to me, and Naughty dog managed to tell the story in such a way that I moved over to her side by the end, and demonised Ellie.

[sigina ✝]

Originally posted by GV_416ᅚ:

I love her, great character. But I started hated her so much.

I feel ya

[Sikklid]

I liked her character, however NOT in this game. Shes a very unrealistic Terminator in a world where everything is limited, including extremely scarce resources, shivs constantly breaking, and Ellie's weak, unrealistic knife that paper cuts at best. They tried to explain with the gym at the stadium, but those of us who are fit know damn well that the mocap actress was popping heavy roids.

Speaking of this just saw a fun competition of world class "body builder" women with the best access to science money can buy in CIVILIZATION take on 16 year old farmer boys and those women ALL got smoked. I also personally trained a few women in the military who were extremely fit and none could ever over power most men.

I get a game with "mushroom zombies" isnt real, but isnt it funny how hard the 1st TLoU tried to set a deep rich tone of realism, where even real world cordycepts could potentially cause such an outbreak.

Terminator Abby would have been a good DLC. In this "Ellie focused" game her being forced on the player, Abby's major "golf club" event, and the constant woke lecturing are just insufferable.

[chauncey]

Originally posted by Sikklid:

I liked her character, however NOT in this game. Shes a very unrealistic Terminator in a world where everything is limited, including extremely scarce resources, shivs constantly breaking, and Ellie's weak, unrealistic knife that paper cuts at best. They tried to explain with the gym at the stadium, but those of us who are fit know damn well that the mocap actress was popping heavy roids.

Speaking of this just saw a fun competition of world class "body builder" women with the best access to science money can buy in CIVILIZATION take on 16 year old farmer boys and those women ALL got smoked. I also personally trained a few women in the military who were extremely fit and none could ever over power most men.

I get a game with "mushroom zombies" isnt real, but isnt it funny how hard the 1st TLoU tried to set a deep rich tone of realism, where even real world cordycepts could potentially cause such an outbreak.

Terminator Abby would have been a good DLC. In this "Ellie focused" game her being forced on the player, Abby's major "golf club" event, and the constant woke lecturing are just insufferable.

I said this in another thread. Abby's dad was a doctor and probably had a lot of dr*gs including steroids. Abby could have had access to them from him. It's not that hard to believe. Besides, Abby isn't even that big. Most people who say that are probably pencil necks.

[Molesworth.Houghton]

Abby is the best, long live Abby. We wish you a merry christmas, Abby.

[Heisenberg]

Originally posted by CiggyPop ✝:

I was upset she killed Joel too, but it makes sense when you realize he was the one who killed her dad.

Except that's a classic psychology trick, often used in movies.

We have a psychopath who brutally kills dozens of people but then in the middle of the movie we get a flashback showing that he was treated very poorly by the psycho's parents, peers. So at the end we're like, "OH WELL PEOPLE HAVE RAISED HIM TO BE THAT WAY SO IT'S NOT ENTIRELY HIS FAULT".

That's a move to make us feel sympathy even towards even the worst people, because well, unlike real socipaths, we're built around sympathy towards other people.

So YEA, you don't like her because you like her personality or motives.
You like her because you feel SORRY for her.


+ You feel sorry for her because Joel killed her father, but people seem to forget that his father almost killed Ellie. Like, did everyone suddenly forget he actually almost killed her?

[Stoibs]

Originally posted by Heisenberg:

Like, did everyone suddenly forget he actually almost killed her?

No, we saw the accompanying scenes where Ellie said she was ok with sacrificing herself for a cure because it would have meant that her life mattered, the scene where she was pissed off at Joel for stopping them and taking that choice away from her, and there's still that very nuanced debate since 2013 as to Joel's choice at the end there which doesn't have a good answer.

This isn't black and white.

[Heisenberg]

Originally posted by Stoibs:

Originally posted by Heisenberg:

Like, did everyone suddenly forget he actually almost killed her?

No, we saw the accompanying scenes where Ellie said she was ok with sacrificing herself

I never understood this justification.
So just because the kid is ok with sacrifying her life, it means that it's ok to actually kill her?

Originally posted by Stoibs:

Originally posted by Heisenberg:

Like, did everyone suddenly forget he actually almost killed her?

because it would have meant that her life mattered

All lifes matter, some people just don't see their own lifes that way.
Her life mattered for Joel and over time for many other people.

+ Now another question, are we forgetting that it's not even possible to make a vaccine for fungus?

[BurtalMaster]

No

[Stoibs]

Originally posted by Heisenberg:

+ Now another question, are we forgetting that it's not even possible to make a vaccine for fungus?

Neil Druckman sort of wrote himself into a corner with this one in the original game; but thankfully explained it in the Tv series as a plausible workaround.

(Been a while since I watched it, but from memory I think they said it would have acted as a pheromone/DNA signature that would have stopped the infected from *attacking* them altogether, like what happened with Tess at the end of episode 2. Not a *cure* per se, but from there it would have just required mop up of the remaining infected without fear of reprisal)