So much hate, yet very positive reviews

[𝔗𝔥𝔦𝔫𝔤𝔲𝔰 𝔄𝔠𝔱𝔲𝔞𝔩𝔦𝔰]

I'm just wondering how this and other games that are marked as "woke" i.e. contain smth that drives toxic infantile crybabies nuts (LGBT characters, strong women, imperfectly looking women etc) despite all the hate around them are positively received in general. Turns out, 90% of people who play these games in fact don't give a crap about the "woke" part? WTF is wrong with modern society?

[spicy little monkey]

Publicado originalmente por 𝔗𝔥𝔦𝔫𝔤𝔲𝔰 𝔄𝔠𝔱𝔲𝔞𝔩𝔦𝔰:

LOL. People are so easy to get triggered. I've just shared my confusion and it turned into a debate whether Joel or Ellie is a better character.

It's not even a debate. I just wrote Ellie was better and it devolved into such silly fighting

[alex010300]

Low number of positive reviews.

[Sky Striker Ace - Kagari]

Publicado originalmente por Praesi:

I liked Joel, but what he did was wrong. Killing him was a smart way to keep the Story going.
Abby had the same right or not for Revenge as anyone else. Up to your point of view.
I rather have this events than just a copy paste of part one.

Joel wasn't wrong at all. Did you ever pay any attention to the story? He didn't want to sacrifice a child for "the greater good" (aka cure for the virus). Joel was seeing Ellie as his daughter.

[PRAET0R1AN™]

Publicado originalmente por Praesi:

I liked Joel, but what he did was wrong. Killing him was a smart way to keep the Story going.
Abby had the same right or not for Revenge as anyone else. Up to your point of view.
I rather have this events than just a copy paste of part one.

Pretty much, As much as the story draws mixed opinions, This game is basically a story of loss and revenge begetting revenge.

Joel killed Abbie's dad who was the surgeon in the first game, Abbie finds her dad's body in the operating room with Owen standing over him, Abbie goes on a quest for revenge and ends up killing Joel, This sets off a revenge quest in ellie who killed Owen and the pregnant girl, which sets off another quest for revenge in Abbie where she kills Jesse.

It's revenge begets revenge and the cycle only ends when lev walks in on Abbie and makes Abbie second guess herself and allows Ellie and Dina to live or she'll risk losing the only person in her life that's still by her side.

Ellie however still can't let go and sacrifices her life with Dina in order to chase after Abbie and only then does she see a flashback of Joel and works out that revenge isn't worth it, Then the final section of the game shows Ellie has lost everything and is all alone, Something that she said scared her in the first game.

It's the oldest tale of revenge and it's there to paint a picture that revenge quests always end badly and in turn it can hurt people not even involved in what caused the revenge quest to be initiated.

That's at least what my understanding of it was, Whether that was what naughtydogs intention was or not.. idk.. but that does seem to be what lesson they're appearing to try to teach.

[Terry86]

Cuz most ppl aren't going to buy it knowing what it is. The games is out for almost 4 years.

the minority that bought it obviously love it cuz they are the target audience & that crowd cares more about the message in the game & normalizing what was once frowned up on.

[Praesi]

Publicado originalmente por Terry86:

Cuz most ppl aren't going to buy it knowing what it is. The games is out for almost 4 years.

the minority that bought it obviously love it cuz they are the target audience & that crowd cares more about the message in the game & normalizing what was once frowned up on.

So the Game is almost out for 4 Years on PC? Wow..thats new one.

[spicy little monkey]

Publicado originalmente por Praesi:

Publicado originalmente por Terry86:

Cuz most ppl aren't going to buy it knowing what it is. The games is out for almost 4 years.

the minority that bought it obviously love it cuz they are the target audience & that crowd cares more about the message in the game & normalizing what was once frowned up on.

So the Game is almost out for 4 Years on PC? Wow..thats new one.

he never claimed it was out for almost 4 years on PC

[RoyHaggerty]

Publicado originalmente por spicy little monkey:

Publicado originalmente por smokescreen:

I would have thought that most of the hate comes from the fact that, idk, probably the best character in the first game being killed 2 hours in, by getting beaten to death with a golf club.

Ellie's a better character than Joel.

I thought that after the first game. I admit I'm struggling a bit with Ellie-the-psychopathic-revenge-crazed-mass-murderer. I've been feeling a little uncomfortable at the number of times I'm essentially forced by the game to cut the throat of some unsuspecting person who's just been chatting away to their friend, and is clearly identical in nearly all respects to those just trying to survive their way in Jackson.

There's always something a little off about a plot in which the main protagonist justifies their actions because of the trauma they suffered from the death of a loved one, yet then goes on to cause the same trauma to literally hundreds of others without ever considering whether that might not be the best course of action!

[Muu]

Publicado originalmente por bokke_commando:

Well, yeah. The very vocal minority are just that, a minority.

Or people who don't like it just didn't buy it to leave a bad review. The game is quite irrelevant as a result of how bad the backlash was at release.

[Praesi]

Publicado originalmente por spicy little monkey:

Publicado originalmente por Praesi:

So the Game is almost out for 4 Years on PC? Wow..thats new one.

he never claimed it was out for almost 4 years on PC

I know you seek attention. But you are annoying. So stop it or, yea..you know what.

[spicy little monkey]

Publicado originalmente por Praesi:

Publicado originalmente por spicy little monkey:

he never claimed it was out for almost 4 years on PC

I know you seek attention. But you are annoying. So stop it or, yea..you know what.

Not attention seeking at all.

I'm annoying because I corrected you?

Stop it or what? You going to block my profile? Like it makes any difference.

[spicy little monkey]

Publicado originalmente por RoyHaggerty:

Publicado originalmente por spicy little monkey:

Ellie's a better character than Joel.

I thought that after the first game. I admit I'm struggling a bit with Ellie-the-psychopathic-revenge-crazed-mass-murderer. I've been feeling a little uncomfortable at the number of times I'm essentially forced by the game to cut the throat of some unsuspecting person who's just been chatting away to their friend, and is clearly identical in nearly all respects to those just trying to survive their way in Jackson.

There's always something a little off about a plot in which the main protagonist justifies their actions because of the trauma they suffered from the death of a loved one, yet then goes on to cause the same trauma to literally hundreds of others without ever considering whether that might not be the best course of action!

Yeah Ellie is an entirely different character in part 2

[Senki]

probably because most people that hate the game don't buy it

I have my own issues with it but overall it's still a great game

[spicy little monkey]

Publicado originalmente por Senki:

probably because most people that hate the game don't buy it

This

[aetherium.]

most of people don't even get the story. they say they're angry because of joel's death, and then they say it's because of poor writing. nope, it's because you're supposed to be angry. you're supposed to feel hatred towards abby. everything is intentional in this game. i'm afraid the story is too mature for some "gamers" out there.
you're absolutely right about the reviews. these freaks can't just review bomb the game, because you have to buy it and play it before you can leave a review, so what they end up doing is just awarding jesters on every review their filthy hands can reach.
nevermind these people and just enjoy the game and the experience it gives you!