About Abby

[Fried Chicken]

I respect everyone's opinions over her but at first I didn't like her but after getting to know her and her backstory and completing the game I can't help but have sympathy for her about as much as Ellie, I mean, they've both lost a lot of close people in their lives and I have a feeling that Part 3 (if it even becomes a thing) is going to focus on both Ellie and Abby again because what would be the point of introducing Abby just to never see her again?... And Lev is pretty cool too ngl

[Energy Addict]

Whaddup!

That is actually the point of the entire story. Unlike LOU1 this story specifically is about the cycle of revenge, unchecked hatred, and the tolls of seeking justice at any cost. You'll probably remember in the flashback to when Joel brings Ellie to the Museum that he said you need to not let people rile you up so much.

Throughout the story, both Ellie and Abby lose everything as a result of this cycle.

Both of them leave the end of this story hollow; and neither of them are fulfilled or satisfied with the outcomes. This story is not a "happy ending". The lines between hero and villain become evermore blurred and grey.

The story becomes a deep introspective on your own moral compass. Does revenge heal wounds? Does forgiveness break the cycle?

Your post is actually exactly what NaughtyDog was going for. Glad to see they nailed it!

NaughtyDog had hinted briefly at a LOU3 but since then pivoted. It is looking highly unlikely a third installment will happen. In a way, this is a good way (imo) to end the series. Ellie effectively becomes Joel before Joel found Ellie; as you'll also hear Ellie telling others of Joel (and Tommy's) past. And based on what you learn via Joel in LOU1. Joel in LOU1 blurred the line between hero and villain in his own previous story ending... A cycle.

Abby, like any other story character, is a well crafted and needed antagonist. But in this story, you get to see both sides.

[PrinceOfDorkness]

there is nothing wrong with abby people exaturate and swim along in the waves that ridicule her

[Frag Maniac]

Agree pretty much with OP, but I'd still like to see ND offer a slightly younger, slimmer Abby skin, especially since it's already in the game files via the flashback scenes with Owen.

I also feel the same about Lev as a character, but as a friendly AI, as is the case with ALL friendly AI in the game, they get in the way too much and can blow your stealth at times.

Story wise, I've always seen TLoU franchise as one the better written cognitive dissonance scenarios, not unlike that of Spec Ops: The Line. It's an engaging, well written story really.

[episoder]

Originally posted by Frag Maniac:

... the case with ALL friendly AI in the game, they get in the way too much and can blow your stealth at times.

argueable. i had a good experience with dina and jessie. never blown the cover or stood in the way much. also helped out in some encounters. dunno how that works in gorunded tho. i play casual mode. lev on the other hand was a lil more dumb. blocked doorways while just traversing, instead of dodging me. also the prophetic ramblings and chatty commentary is something i could live without. this is not plaque tale.

[Fried Chicken]

Appreciate the opinions and comments, I'm not here to argue with anybody I respect everyone's opinions, have a good day 😊

[Fried Chicken]

I feel mixed on Joel morally and what he did at the hospital but at the same time he got attached to Ellie and didn't wanna lose her like he lost his daughter, he's an awesome character regardless but I knew at some point what he did was going to come back and bite him at some point

[Freak4Leeks]

I hope Lev gets a spotlight in 3, Maybe abby slips that Ellie is immune, she refuses to tell them where and they kill abby, so you play as Lev trying to stop them, although that would technically be another revenge thing, so maybe not.

Anyways I really like Lev and hope we play as him. He was was one of my favorite characters.

[Fried Chicken]

Originally posted by Freak4Leeks:

I hope Lev gets a spotlight in 3, Maybe abby slips that Ellie is immune, she refuses to tell them where and they kill abby, so you play as Lev trying to stop them, although that would technically be another revenge thing, so maybe not.

Anyways I really like Lev and hope we play as him. He was was one of my favorite characters.

Yeahhhh the games go back and forth on revenge and PTSD enough as it is lollll

[Braincleaner]

If TLOU Pt1 had been about Abby and Jerry, people would hate Ellie. Every character is the hero in their own story, and the villain in someone elses.

[Frag Maniac]

Originally posted by Freak4Leeks:

I hope Lev gets a spotlight in 3, Maybe abby slips that Ellie is immune, she refuses to tell them where and they kill abby, so you play as Lev trying to stop them, although that would technically be another revenge thing, so maybe not.

Anyways I really like Lev and hope we play as him. He was was one of my favorite characters.

I have to wonder how 3 will play out. I like that Neil alluded to Tommy being the main hero protagonist according to his concept he spoke of, but I get the feeling Ellie might be heading back to Jackson after finding Dina had left.

I think the way the beach scene ended, Tommy would have to be pretty brutalized by a possible failed attempt at killing Abby, for Ellie to be on board with helping him go after her. I also expect Lev to be bigger and much more capable in 3.

We can see in the final farmhouse scene that Ellie feels a bit of sadness and maybe even regret that pursuing Abby resulted in losing 2 of her fingers and not being able to play guitar as well, which is one of the only things she had to remember Joel with.

I just hope if Ellie is a main character in 3, they don't make her so desensitized by the trauma she's been through that it makes her lose the caring side of her personality. Many have stated they didn't like what a terror she'd become on her revenge mission.

Who knows, maybe Dina will forgive Ellie (if she finds her in Jackson), or Ellie will fall in love with a new character that keeps her grounded, no pun intended.

[PandaSav]

Forgiveness wins, Now who said about forgiveness Heh!

[Holografix]

i always found it surprising that:

- People liked Joel after playing The Last of Us Part 1. I disliked him because he took Ellie's choice away and lied to her.

- People liked Ellie after playing The Last of Us Part 2. Ellie's character is blighted by the end She's a terrible person, and is only redeemed by her choice to leave Abby alone.

[Bankai9212]

Originally posted by Braincleaner:

If TLOU Pt1 had been about Abby and Jerry, people would hate Ellie. Every character is the hero in their own story, and the villain in someone elses.

Why would they hate Ellie? The issue with the sequel is that it’s trying to tell a story of a whole new group after axing Joel. Maybe if they lead with that first people wouldn’t check out after his death. Also at no point in the series is anyone being a “hero”. People do messed up stuff when the world has gone to crap.

[Joe Cool]

Originally posted by Energy Addict:

Whaddup!
That is actually the point of the entire story. Unlike LOU1 this story specifically is about the cycle of revenge, unchecked hatred, and the tolls of seeking justice at any cost. You'll probably remember in the flashback to when Joel brings Ellie to the Museum that he said you need to not let people rile you up so much.

Throughout the story, both Ellie and Abby lose everything as a result of this cycle.

Both of them leave the end of this story hollow; and neither of them are fulfilled or satisfied with the outcomes. This story is not a "happy ending". The lines between hero and villain become evermore blurred and grey.

The story becomes a deep introspective on your own moral compass. Does revenge heal wounds? Does forgiveness break the cycle?

Your post is actually exactly what NaughtyDog was going for. Glad to see they nailed it!

I just wish they had been able to tell this story in an intelligent way that was believable and didn't focus so hard on trying to manipulate the player into liking Abby.

Imagine if the story was everything you outlined, but there wasn't a bunch of completely out of place politicized nonsense clogging up the story and destroying immersion?

They definitely did not nail it. Those of us like myself who hate it can still see that they were trying to present the story you outlined, but unfortunately they just told it in the laziest, most idiotic way they possibly could.

The writer for part 2 is nowhere even remotely close to being as smart or as talented as the writer for part 1.

The story for part 1 is like fine dining at an expensive 5 star restaurant.

The story for part 2 is like eating out of the dumpster behind Taco Bell.

[child of the girth]

agree that they absolutely nailed Abby and the themes they were going for resonate really well with how they portrayed just about every damn thing but my god it is miserable watching Ellie lose everything to finally come clear