TLOU2 made me like TLOU1 less. And I loved TLOU1.

[OyajiBR☕]

MASSIVE SPOILER ALERT!!!

I'm not here to yell "woke" or vent homophobia or xenophobia (I'm a leftist gay latino, doesn't mean I must like this game). TLOU2 has absurd plot holes and was clearly made to annoy some people.
- I think many already expected Joel's death, the problem is the WAY he dies. In TLOU1 he didn't get fooled by a bandit pretending to need help, now he gives his name and shows his home to strange armed teenagers;
- you can't expect most people to like Abby after she kills Joel and doesn't show remorse the whole game. Normal people don't feel comfortable after revenge. And people must play her, the most intense parts are hers not Ellie's;
- BTW, how can Abby eat 5000 calories per day and do 5 hours of exercising per day to cultivate a body like that in the Apocalypse? Her farm has meat? Oh, so other survivors don't complain that she eats for 3 people... Doesn't make sense. And I'm not saying women like her don't exist, every time someone says characters like the cop Estel from Streets of Rage 4 or the fighter Marisa from Street Fighter 6 don't exist, I show them a picture of the real life fighter Gabi Garcia. The difference is that they're not in the Apocalypse, where everyone is often hungry;
- in the end, Ellie loses 2 fingers and less than 1 minute later she just let Abby go, ignoring the intense physical and emotional pain she caused and the fact she could come back for her any time. I know the message is that revenge is not worth it, but in that context even the most balanced people wouldn't let go. They could make Ellie give up on revenge and go away in a different scene, maybe both forced to help eachother to survive a horde of clickers would be a good way to come to such conclusion;
- I know the idea is showing both sides of a coin, but stories like this only work when both sides are introduced in the same story, not one in an entire saga and the other at a sequel, few will care about the new one.

I could say more, but the text is long enough. It's not a good game, it's bad taste, bad writing and really arrogant to call everyone who disliked it bigot.

[Rocker]

I completely agree. The second game is incredibly poorly written. And the ultra-left agenda is just the lesser evil in this story.

[heyitswalter]

I appreciate the write up, thanks for taking the time to write out your thoughts on this.

[OyajiBR☕]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Rocker:

I completely agree. The second game is incredibly poorly written. And the ultra-left agenda is just the lesser evil in this story.

That's why I'm central-leftist. Extremists of both sides are a pain, they only turn people against their own causes.

[episoder]

1) i repeat: joel helped "survivors" in this scene. human interaction. not infected. done.

2) she doesn't need to show remorse. it was her goal to kill him. target. done.

3) kinda legit. logically kinda flawed. aswell as an aesthetic "complaint". w/e.

4) the scene is missing one line of dialoque to rhyme the theater. that's it.

5) you don't like new characters being introduced? same old only? hmm.

back to game.

[OyajiBR☕]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von episoder:

1) i repeat: joel helped "survivors" in this scene. human interaction. not infected. done.

2) she doesn't need to show remorse. it was her goal to kill him. target. done.

3) kinda legit. logically kinda flawed. aswell as an aesthetic "complaint". w/e.

4) the scene is missing one line of dialoque to rhyme the theater. that's it.

5) you don't like new characters being introduced? same old only? hmm.

back to game.

That's what you think I meant in 1) and 5)? I don't know whose intelligence you're insulting, mine or your own... Oh, and 2) confirms my point.

[episoder]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von OyajiBR☕:

That's what you think I meant in 1) and 5)? I don't know whose intelligence you're insulting, mine or your own... Oh, and 2) confirms my point.

i'm not insulting. but... i read repetitive players complaints about joel being "out of character" and not be careful around those "strangers". the scene plays around jackson. which is considered a safe place for humans. the dialogue makes that very clear. they being offered a stay. i won't delve into this whole gang mechanic.

i dunno what triggers you on the #5.

and #2 is just the character of abby. she lives in a military style installment. if you never served you would not understand the logic. sry for your time. :)

[Milkdust]

Why I've refrained from playing "Part II" altogether. There is only one "The Last of Us" as far as I am concerned. A Bruce Straley masterpiece.

[matteste]

Want a good revenge story that shows multiple sides and makes you sympathize with several characters? Watch the Gankutsou TV series.

[OyajiBR☕]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von matteste:

Want a good revenge story that shows multiple sides and makes you sympathize with several characters? Watch the Gankutsou TV series.

Beef on Netflix. Good TV show, it's about a stressed man and a stressed woman who are having a bad day and meet each other in the traffic, when she honks like crazy. That futile reason makes them troll each other more and more, doing things they'd never do normally.

[Cephei]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von OyajiBR☕:

MASSIVE SPOILER ALERT!!!

I'm not here to yell "woke" or vent homophobia or xenophobia (I'm a gay South American). But this game has absurd plot holes and was clearly made to annoy some people.
- I think many already expected Joel's death, the problem is the WAY he dies. In TLOU1 he didn't get fooled by a bandit pretending to need help, now he gives his name and shows his home to strange armed teenagers;
- you can't expect most people to like Abby after she kills Joel and doesn't show remorse the whole game. Normal people don't feel comfortable after revenge. And people must play her, the most intense parts are hers not Ellie's;
- BTW, how can Abby eat 5000 calories per day and do 5 hours of exercising per day to cultivate a body like that in the Apocalypse? Her farm has meat? Oh, so other survivors don't complain that she eats for 3 people... Doesn't make sense. And I'm not saying women like her don't exist, every time someone says characters like the cop Estel from Streets of Rage 4 or the fighter Marisa from Street Fighter 6 don't exist, I show them a picture of the real life fighter Gabi Garcia. The difference is that they're not in the Apocalypse, where everyone is often hungry;
- in the end, Ellie loses 2 fingers and less than 1 minute later she just let Abby go, ignoring the intense physical and emotional pain she caused and the fact she could come back for her any time. I know the message is that revenge is not worth it, but in that context even the most balanced people wouldn't let go. They could make Ellie give up on revenge and go away in a different scene, maybe both forced to help eachother to survive a horde of clickers would be a good way to come to such conclusion;
- I know the idea is showing both sides of a coin, but stories like this only work when both sides are introduced in the same story, not one in an entire saga and the other at a sequel, few will care about the new one.

I could say more, but the text is long enough. It's not a good game, it's bad taste, bad writing and really arrogant to call everyone who disliked it bigot.

Im sure the fanboys are just thrilled with that deep, one-dimensional trash you tossed out there. Bet they’re clapping like seals for your hot take. Try harder.

[OyajiBR☕]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Cephei:

Im sure the fanboys are just thrilled with that deep, one-dimensional trash you tossed out there. Bet they’re clapping like seals for your hot take. Try harder.

I'm sure you didn't read even 3 lines. Still, your reaction flatters me.

[Vexov]

Maybe it didn't make sense, because you were aware of their betrayal.

Imagine you driving by and saved someone from a bear by letting them into your vehicle. Then you get stabbed after making it to safety. I guess you should have known.

They were kind of running for their fking lives.


I don't know what to about Abby being buff. 5000 calories?. Eating for 3 people?. 5 hours of exercise a day?. Where meat come from?.

She didn't appear to be just some grunt. She must have ate like a high ranking officer. It is the apocalypse and there are animals everywhere. I mean is it that hard to believe they're catching fish and have livestock?. Did humanity just curl up in a ball and cry for the past ... "20 years"?. Yeah, they had meat, ffs.

I don't know if it takes 5000 calories to put on muscle, but it doesn't matter. It has been 5 years between TLOU 1-2. 5 Hours of exercise a day and that is all shes got?. I mean, I had somewhere around the same muscles and i was eating just 1 meal a day and playing sports.

I'm a guy, but i'm sure she could put on the muscle getting a decent 3 meal.

So, she seems legit to me.



You mad about how it ended?. I can't recall how I felt.

I think it ended perfectly fine. Why did she leave the farm?. Why did she fight Abby at the end?. Why did she left her go?.

Everything was about hate. When it was gone her reasoning left too.

Abby saw herself reflected in Ellie?. Joel took her father and she took Ellie's. All the guilt she must have had too.

For Ellie I don't know. Maybe Ellie saw she become Abby. Did Abby's actions get to her?. She was about to kill Abby in front of Lev and Abby killed Joel in front of her. Was she ready to murder Lev to discontinue the circle?. Abby didn't even want to fight her. Ellie had to force her to fight Ellie.

I just don't got the education to break it all down. It seemed to be legit.


I don't mean to defend the game/story/devs. They're gonna sink themselves like every other company that has gone retarded.

I hope you nor anyone takes offense if I made any. I'm just tired of the other side on some sort of hate train. I mean, seems to be easy enough answers from someone with my little education.

[Cake]

The dissonance between the story and game play is embarrassing. Violence bad mmmmkay now go smash these random guys heads in with a brick then give up at the end after you have left a trail of death and destruction.

[OyajiBR☕]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Cake:

The dissonance between the story and game play is embarrassing. Violence bad mmmmkay now go smash these random guys heads in with a brick then give up at the end after you have left a trail of death and destruction.

There's no gradual reason for Ellie's sudden decision to stop strangling Abby. She literally bit her fingers off less than a minute before, I can't see anyone in such pain suddenly thinking ,"Hey, killing is wrong. I'll let this woman (who killed my father-figure and bit my fingers off seconds ago) go. Nah, she won't come back to kill me later, I'm sure."

[halbermensch999]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Rocker:

I completely agree. The second game is incredibly poorly written. And the ultra-left agenda is just the lesser evil in this story.

Or maybe the rightwing is just simply lost in the wilderness. The concept of pursuit of happiness is utterly lost to you folks.