Joel was right (TLOU1 spoilers)

[RPGamer9225]

Even if the Fireflies made a cure, humanity wouldn't just go back to the way it was. It was too far gone for that.

[LeftIsBest-James]

True. Nothing ever 'goes back to the way it was'.
Doesn't mean you roll over and giveup.

[el_loco_batty]

Nobody was right or wrong. I understand that one of the points of the game is that morality is never black or white.

But I'm sure that if Ellie would have been told what was going to happen she would have agreed to the surgery, and Joel wouldn't have had an excuse for taking her with him. If he would've done that even after she said she was OK with dying for the cure, he would have become an irredeemable villain. But since he was forced to make the hardest choice of his life in just a single minute, we can relate to him, we can understand where his actions came from. Explaining something and justifying it, are not the same though...

[boRZ]

Joel was right when he picked up that letter in Pittsburgh. "Mother's Letter" found in shiv room. Door with the large X on it. Many miss it. Talks about taking revenge and when Joel puts the letter away, he says, "Well with that kind of thinking, no one wins." Smart man Joel was too smart for part 2 revenge plot story

[[-Method Mad-]]

Joel was wrong and right

[VDRSK]

Except Joel didn't do what he did because he thought it would fail, He did it out of selfish reasons, because he tells Marlene to find another person. He doesn't care.

However one of the big themes of The Last Of Us Series is grey morality.

The fact you you titled the post the way you did means you missed that point.

[LeftIsBest-James]

Originally posted by Wikipedia:

"Hannibal Directive" is the name of a controversial procedure used by Israel Defense Forces to prevent the capture of Israeli soldiers by enemy forces. [...] "even at the price of striking and harming our own forces".

Referencing a convo between Druckmann and his dad, the question of 'prisoner exchange' came up.
1. Druckmann asked whether what his dad thought about prisoner exchanges.
2. His dad replied:
- he would not release PLO prisoners even if it was to free israeli soldiers.
- but he added that a father would see it differently, if that israeli soldier was his own son.

Hence the basis of TLoU1.
Good story, but Druckmann is still a creep tho'.

[RPGamer9225]

Originally posted by LeftIsBest-James:

Originally posted by Wikipedia:

"Hannibal Directive" is the name of a controversial procedure used by Israel Defense Forces to prevent the capture of Israeli soldiers by enemy forces. [...] "even at the price of striking and harming our own forces".

Referencing a convo between Druckmann and his dad, the question of 'prisoner exchange' came up.
1. Druckmann asked whether what his dad thought about prisoner exchanges.
2. His dad replied:
- he would not release PLO prisoners even if it was to free israeli soldiers.
- but he added that a father would see it differently, if that israeli soldier was his own son.

Hence the basis of TLoU1.
Good story, but Druckmann is still a creep tho'.

How is he a creep?

[LeftIsBest-James]

Originally posted by RPGamer9225:

Originally posted by LeftIsBest-James:

Referencing a convo between Druckmann and his dad, the question of 'prisoner exchange' came up.
1. Druckmann asked whether what his dad thought about prisoner exchanges.
2. His dad replied:
- he would not release PLO prisoners even if it was to free israeli soldiers.
- but he added that a father would see it differently, if that israeli soldier was his own son.
Hence the basis of TLoU1.
Good story, but Druckmann is still a creep tho'.

How is he a creep?

His original prototype of TLoU1 was called 'Mankind'. 'Man' being the operative word.
Only/All women were infected. ONLY ELLIE - a minor - remained uninfected.

So you hand a planet of lawless men going after Ellie (a minor) because she was the only 'reproductive' female. Amy Hennig - true mvp, also of "Uncharted" - talked Druckmann down.

There's some dark sht swimming under the surface.