Female aliens

[NullCat]

Its not a sci-fi if I can't play a blue alien chick. Any plans for making female aliens? I was looking at the list of goals that Pulsar has and while Content is listed there doesn't seem to be anything on this particular topic. Unique and interesting characters and more polish and options to the character creator would be awesome.

[Tenshi Noyo Senshi]

While it's not necessary, I was actually kind of hoping that with the changes to the character creation that we'd get things like this.

I assume the systems are in place if they want to add more, and the game's still in development, so plenty can change and be added in the future, presumably.

The typical space elves, the blue/green human-like aliens, that sort of stuff (but maybe not exactly that sort of stuff) could give players just a bit more variety to work with in distinguishing themselves from their fellow player characters.

[StyxSunset]

i think the aliens are gender neutral or non-binary anyways so...

[NullCat]

I don't think they look gender nuetral at all. They are definitely masculine. Honestly I'm waiting for a character creator that doesn't even worry about putting a gender decision in at all and instead just lets you pick torso shapes. Pick the upper body that's narrower at the waist or not. Pick one with breasts or not. Either way I still want a female alien. Even if they just give me the human with some crazy skin colors and some random accesories that look like extra eyes or something. It doesn't have to be an entirely new race. I do have a particular weakness for space elves though. Lol

[obvious]

I assumed (and loved!) that the Sylvassi are hermaphroditic like terrestrial snails and slugs or the alien from Enemy Mine which is a great movie and heavily underrated. Who btw also seemed "male" to human standards. Or they are genderless untill they hit mating season and then they randomly assume a gender and lose it again afterwards. Or young Sylvassi are all male and turn female when they get older, like clownfish do! Or they have three genders or more in all that! Do not apply human physiology standards to aliens. That makes them just boring. There is such a large variety of possible species that green humans with big chests are plain lame. Also it is important to not take binary biological genders for granted! Life on other planets hopefully has a large variety in store for us, adding to the already dazzling variety in terrestric blue prints.
Also I madly love about the game that it is not fan-servicing people with space pin-ups. The character models are not hunchbacks by default anymore, that is good enough for me :D
Talking about slugs, I'd prefer the Seer's race to be playable. Obviously they can be sentient. Or geneticly modified / cyborg Xenoraptors! *sigh* So many cool options and you people ask for plain Asari clones! Shame on you! We already have a massive non-anthropoid-female-alien representation problem in movies and games.

Means: Female aliens are designed according to human beauty standards with just very selective "oddities" such as skin color, weird hair or something that do not deter standard human attraction. (aside of the rare "grandma" alien that is allowed to be unattractive but has to be cute. And aside of Wookie Mama in Star Wars Christmas Special types who just exist due to the succesful male counterpart). Look at the Casino in one of the new star wars movies, which is a very good example since the dress code makes genders obvious (and assumes binary biological genders for all them aliens). The people wearing a tux are very diverse and quite a lot of them not even remotely human shaped. The people wearing dresses on the other hand are nearly all very, very humanoid and have distinct attractive human female body shapes. Injustice that. The male aliens are to ponder at, to see creativity, while the female background-aliens mainly serve as fan-service for humans who are into human females and don't want to miss out on glimpses of chest based mammary glands even in space. Which is laughable, because why should an alien race that evolved to look like Jabba the hutt find a human female more attractive than this alien looks attractive to us humans?
Why binary biological genders? Why should they have (binary gender or not) mammary glands on their chest and not their head or back or legs?

Aside of that: Adding a new race would require new lore. And in the lore atm there is no other dominant sentient species in the galaxy (robots are slaves, Seer's race is mostly unsentient? Ice Mother Brain is not space faring?), as far as I understood their story of the Galaxy (the Great War!). Even less a biologically inconsequent race where you could mix'n'match extra eyes and other "accessories". The LORE, kids! Respect teh LORE!!!!111oneoneone

[Mosey]

How about they make robots less OP first. Sure they have less HP but THEY IGNORE ALL ENVIRONMENT HAZARDS. Like, what made them think that's ok?

That, or take the movement debuff off enviro suits. It's just not fun to be the only non-robot on a crew. In fact, most crews are full robot at this point. Coincidence?

[NullCat]

I have spent far too long growing up and playing video games looking like a dude. I'm all for lore don't get me wrong but I want to play as a girl because I AM a girl. Its fine that the Sylvassi are unique. I'm fine with that. However that doesn't mean I don't want my blue skinned alien female.

Maybe I'm spoiled now because so many games offer that option but personally its an option I love. You can call it lame but that is all I genuinely need. I will totally settle for some bizarre skin tones and add on features to a human body if it means a female "alien." Or mutant if you prefer. Do I want more? Yeah! Do I want an alien chick with unique features and lore? Sure! That would be great! The point is I want that option and I want my sexual dimorphism. That's why I was asking but I have a feeling that Pulsar is just going to fall short for me here.

Just like The Forest. D:

I mean lets be honest here. . for all your love of the Sylvassi lore they do just look like Male humans with a weird skin color and some add ons.

[obvious]

Question. Would you also accept a slime-race where the dimorphism means that the female slimes have visible eggs in their translucent body and sport a blue color opposed to the male slime's green color and courtship flaps? I would totally support that with all my heart but I fear this is not what this wish is about.
Is this about space-pin-up or astro-dress-up doll? That path I will never support. Having female characters being limited to lore-and-logic-detached eye candy is worse than having none, in my opinion. And I say that as someone who had to play looking like a dude since (in all likelyhood) before you were born.

Btw. Sylvassi do not look male for me at all. They look sylvassi :D I want mammary glands and wide hips on the sylvassi as much as I wanted them on my Pong paddle. Not at all. Since they do not belong there and make no sense.

As to the robot flood: I predicted that the new aux power buff would lead to this. I second a nerf wish. They are just too convenient. :(

[NullCat]

I understand and appreciate your opinion on female aliens but I don't agree.

Would I be okay with a slime race? Yeah okay. Not what I want though. I want to be able to identify with the character I am playing as. Does that mean BOOBS and BUTT. Absolutely. Not sure why that isn't allowed especially when the Sylvassi use the male model with slight changes to the head and face. I just want to play a girl because I am a girl. No dress up doll. No pin up. Just want an awesome female alien that I can identify with.

With the level of graphics in Pulsar I'm not sure why you think a pin up alien is even possible. They are fairly straight forward models. Simple and to the point. Even the female humans aren't exactly curvaceous. A slime just isn't going to do it for me.

I'm a fan of Fifth Element, Star Wars, Star Trek, . I appreciate the effort and art and lore made of so many of the aliens in sci fi. I don't simply dismiss them because they are female and have breasts and hips. I like them because I think they are creative and unique. If other people want to make porn or hate " eye candy" that's on them.

How can you watch Fifth Element and not love the Opera singer Plavalaguna? She's awesome!

So if the Sylvassi uses the male model then having a female alien using the female model would be much the same. Doesn't have to be Sylvassi. Just some kind of female alien. I'd even take mutations. A human mutant? Maybe infected while fighting infected ships? Give them half a face of insane ugly insect like skin and an inhuman eye that's sunken and disgusting? Sure go for it! Unsightly scars from the spread of the infection towards the normal half? Awesome! Let's do it!

More extreme cybernetics because infected flesh had to be cut away leaving terrifying scars around the plates? Sure! Awesome!

I'm not looking for an hourglass figure like you seem to think. I just want some feminine qualities and slime blob doesn't cover that for me.

[obvious]

Have you ever played the first Tomb Raider? Pin-ups with even worse graphics exist and thrived.

You define "male" by pointing out the Sylvassi model has no boobs or slimmer waist. That is imho a very limiting body shape concept. That way all humanoid body types will look male to you if they are no mammals. Or have their glands in a more discreet place. To me Sylvassi look neutral, androgynous, in their suits. Their eyes and lips even have a female touch, by human standards. They have less butt than human males. And a different chest shape. AND some sort of waist that is higher up than a human waist. Those are NOT male character models. They just don't have chest-boobs because they are not humans and don't feed their children with secretions from evolved sweat glands. And they have no wide pelvis because they don't have to push gigantic baby heads through a very inconveniently placed canal. Form follows function. And our form is so clumsy in some parts (what's with the constantly growing human heads and the not changing way of birth that make human birth SO risky and difficult, compared to other species?), it does not make sense that it should have independantly evolved in the same way twice. Oh god, I so hope that the lore is that the Sylvassi lay eggs. They wouldn't even need a hard shell due to the liquid methane.

I would be all for a human-infection thing with insectuous features though (maybe as a development during quest line). That maybe fits the lore AND is no lame space elf. If you had said that before, you would have heard no objection. I only oppose space elfs (which ARE about being pretty) because I am fed up with this "female characters need to be pretty and have prominent boobs while male characters get diversity". I have to dress smart every day. My looks are under scrutiny every day in my job. If I switch into another universe I don't want my only choice to be s*xy nurse or s*xy goth chick, while the males get a whole array of interesting characters of all ages, shapes and ways of life. It breaks my immersion. (yeah, there is a game with those character choices)

I also don't really get why boobs and waist/pelvis shape should be the ONE thing that tags a character as "i can identify with this" just because I have them too. I can actually even easier identify with believeable male characters or robots or slimes than with unrealistic Barbie characters without story. Aside of the Witcher. He's an *sshole, and not the good kind, that rubs me the wrong way. The RPG character that was most immersive for me in the last months is a blade-winged cyborg pigeon. Thus asking for a character like "all I want is chest-boobs and wide hips and fancy color, the details don't matter" is very alien to me and feels also a bit superficial and like a step backwards. Because I feel a good game should have different priorities that fuel character choice developments. That is why I am so in love with the slime idea. It would be an interesting twist in the lore (i want to know more about slime society and biology!) and also creative and xenobiologically believeable due to being so different from humans. This is also why I applaud your mutant idea and totally can get behind that. It is an interesting game and story idea there, not just cosmetics.

The Fifth Element was trashy. In a good, even great, way, but trashy. Same is Star Trek and Star Wars. Hollywood Movies and AAA games have to cast/create pretty protagonists (male and female) and show the demanded amount of boob and fantasy material to sell their product. But Pulsar isn't that and that is why I love the game. I love the straight forward female models. Because, looking at the aforementioned games, they are not straight forward after all. I see a strong focus on story here, not on pandering to the demand of excessive cosmetics for flashy or unrealistic character customization (wings!!11 steampunk!!111), fan service, pets, slave dancers or whatever people coming from generic online games are expecting. (Yes. People actually demanded those things.) I pray to V'uurog that they stay true to this course.

Last but not least:
How can you watch Enemy Mine and not love the hermaphroditic alien? It is amazing! Way better than all the space AILFs. IT HAS VOCAL SACS!!! <3

[NullCat]

I believe I mentioned mutants very early on. Humans with crazy skin colors and multiple eyes or other " accessory options. "

Not sure why you hate pretty. Pretty isn't bad. Not sure why you hate pin up. Pin up isn't bad. Just because there is pin up art of Samus Aran or Lara Croft doesn't make them any less of an awesome set of characters.

Look at Leia. She's awesome. Tons of pin up art of her. Still a badass.

Leeloo. You can call it a trash film but she's amazing. I agree it was trasy in the best ways though.

Look I'm not bagging on adrogynous or hermaphroditic. Its just that there is only one feminine option here. The female human. That's boring. I just like some more options that's all. I like to be creative with my characters. Even if its not an rpg mind you.

Some characters are going to be hideous and some beautiful. All those things should have a lore about them. Have a reason they are the way they are. I'm not sure how you could reject one side so harshly.

There's nothing wrong with pretty or ugly. . I just want options on both sides. Including those that are lame space elves. Including those that are hideous mutants.

For instance. I've always thoroughly enjoyed the idea that the beautiful creature is actually the more " hideous." The more dangerous the more crazed and insideous. The pretty face that opens its mouth and suddenly unhinges its jaw and has thousands of teeth and saliva and kills people by tearing out a throat. Sure awesome. Amazing. Have elves be dang near cannabilistic like in Divinity. They still have attractive features. Still beautiful. Creepy as all get out though.

On the flip side I also enjoy the idea of characters that are flawed and torn. Do I cut off my mutated infected arm and fight with some kind of penalty? It keeps the infection from spreading but maybe makes gun aiming worse. That would be amazing. I can keep the infection and eventually get some kind of insane melee claw attack. . at the risk of friendly fire spreading the infection to team mates? AMAZING fun. ((Might do it on purpose if it was a thing :D ))

Do I think Pulsar is going to get that in depth? Naw. .

Also. . not going to convince me any of that about the Sylvassi. Even going to the Sylvassi quarters and seeing some of them without as much of their suit on. . . they look like the male character model except for the head.

I mean I know its asking a lot. I just want Starbound/FTL in space. That's all. :D All those alien options with all those appearance options. Not to mention Starbound's modding community. Then to have FTL's rogue like features of random attacks/nebual interferance/solar flares etc. That would be incredible.

Do I think this game is it? D: I really wish it was. Can I dream? Lol Absolutely. My imagination is the problem here. I imagine all sorts of aliens. From beautiful to ugly and I will probably always be stuck with female human.

As for what I can identify with? Well it needs to be obviously female. Don't know what else to tell you. I can't identify as female blob monster. I can't identify as adrogynous possibly lizard inspired face man not man. Although I do agree. I wish character creators had more options. Sliders for fat, to thin being more realistic. Let me make my fat alien girl that is a terrible shot but is great at science. Let me make my lanky and tall as hell bony girl with too long of arms and alien features. In the end I do need some obviously feminine characteristics to play them. Again you seem to think I am asking for only pin up. That's not true.

Kind of being much more demanding here.

I'm kind of asking for everything and just lamenting that it isn't going to happen. :/

Not even just the female alien part of it.
Probably not even the mutant part of it D:

[obvious]

Hell no. People with crazy skin colors and random extra eyes are not how "mutants" work. o_o Compromised by infection (which likely has gene-altering properties) is a different cup of tea. It is sci-fi. The extra eyes etc. are more like Futurama though.

Don't mix up criticism with hate. I don't oppose pretty. I oppose if pretty is all we get. And I oppose pretty if it is just pretty for pretty's sake. If it is cheesy or for pure gratification.

Your concept of "female" is not describing femaleness, just arbitrary bodily aspects of human femaleness. And thus you cannot expect it to apply to other species. Open your mind! :D The very soul of sci-fi is to think outside the box and imagine worlds so very different from ours. Not to paint old things green, stick an extra eye on them and be content with it! Be brave! Be creative! Dare to use your imagination! Imagine being someone or something completely different from your real self. It might surprise you how much fun that is and how it helps to get different views on life.
And, seriously, watch Enemy Mine. Great Movie. Vocal sacs!

My problem with your space elf wish is mainly that it has no story or lore or game mechanics dimension. Just a rather generic cosmetic dimension. And that those cosmetics clash with game lore and also the sci in sci-fi. And that in such a story heavy game! I also fear they'd reinforce stereotypes, I guess.

Btw. Elves in Divinity are luckily not human-beautiful. They look uncanny and spider-like in the actual game (aside of the loading screen) while being militant hippies. Loving them.

Pulsar is not Starbound. It tells a story that can be played multiple times, from different angles, in relatively short runs and is about teamwork. I am a bit unhappy with people voicing wishes to turn it more into Starbound, Star Citizen or space WoW etc. Because we already have those games. But we have so few games that are like Pulsar. Actually none, I guess. So I am always a bit concerned when people try to push it towards mainstream instead of encouraging the story and unique game concept.

I don't want fat or skinny Pulsar characters btw... Space food takes care of nutritional balancing. Or a nanomachine biscuit does. Astronauts need to be fit and healthy! Fat or skinny characters would not make sense in that setting. In other games? Sure, why not? But that is the point, they have to make sense in the game world and need to be believeable characters

[NullCat]

I'm pretty sure we are going to have to agree to disagree. I feel like you are projecting and that you have some sort of aversion to females. Also what is wrong with an alien with just a few alien characteristics? If it fits the lore and story I don't care. I just want options. All the options. If I want to make a three eyed human or a two faced human woot. If I want to make one with antennae and inhuman eyes Sure. If I want to go all out and make a slime person that only has psuedo-pods and uses machines by injecting itself into a jar and having its nueral wavelengths and body language undulations read. . ? Sure go for it. I want ALL OF IT. Not sure how I can open my mind more than that.

You seem to assign specific standards to things you like. . and things you don't like.

For instance the elves in divinity are very beautiful and have many many human features. The character models in game are the same. Just because they are lanky does not make them, " Spider like. " The sylvassi are definitely the male model. Etc. This isn't an attack on you. I'm just concerned that this has come out so prevalently here. You have a specific hatred for the female body. Going on a long tangent about how awful and terrible the female body is in your previous post alone makes me feel that. So if that's not the truth perhaps check how you are presenting yourself. You talk in length about the female pelvis, the head pushing through the birth canal etc.

I suppose I'm not free from fault though. I want a character who has identifiable female characteristics. I suffer from a disorder that makes it hard to walk. Some days are worse than others. So I want a character that can run and explore on two legs. Sometimes I want a spider legged creature with four. Sometimes I want a Lamia like slithery body, but if the devs are going to stick with simply modifying the body forms already created then just give me accessories and options. I can call it a mutant. I will SETTLE for that. SETTLE as in that isn't my wish but if that's all I can get well then I will take what I can get.

The problem is Pulsar isn't offering anything.

The robots are the skeletons for the male model or the female model one. Given robotic pieces and accessories.

The Sylvassi are the male model.

I understand why they do this. Its easier on their developer team. I get that this isn't a AAA game. Still options other than human female is all this post is about.

To me you are the close minded one. Astronauts have to be fit and healthy? Last I checked damn near everyone was in space or in space colonies in this game. Didn't you just get done telling me that I had no appreciation for body diversity? Now you don't want fat or skinny? Just perfectly able bodied humans and bizarre aliens that make no sense on how they would play or interact with a human ship and the consoles provided? It doesn't make any sense. Perhaps if there were alien ships available like in FTL where specifically there are Slug and Mantis and Rockman et al ships or that the use of those aliens with those strange limbs has been introduced and been there since the beginning for use with huamn ships. . THEN it would make sense. However if the game devs are just going to use the models provided and modify them then I want options.

Not sure why that is hard to understand.

I understand where you are coming from. I just can't agree at all. I don't understand your standards as they seem to change constantly depending on your own likes and dislikes. I looked up the alien from Enemy Mine for instance. Lore may describe him as hermaphroditic but the actor that played him was male from what I can understand and therefore other than the head. . had a male body. Lore wise perhaps I am supposed to use my imagination but I really just find myself looking at the Male bodied/alien headed sylvassi and then looking at this Drac character and seeing all too many similarities in your argument.

Pulsar is not Starbound. Pulsar has next to no content yet and far less superior character creation even when compared to a 2d game. The best content is located on a handful of planets. The end game content isn't even in yet.

Tbh I would be fine with just a few solar systems of planets if the planets were more decorated and fully explorable instead of having radiation or endless drops kill you off when you go to far.

Tbh I would love an actual character creator with so many more options.

Even Conan Exiles has more options for different faces and body proportions and the only option is human. Also their options are barbie-buff barbie and not much in between. So that is kind of an insult to Pulsar. However face options are fairly differing. You don't have 10 people who look identical and have the same face like you do in Ark. Ark offers only deformitive body diversity. Aka: Look at how insanely crazy my arms and legs can be its hilarious. Perhaps if they offered some inhuman features with it I might like that facet but mostly I see it as a shortcoming because they don't offer those. However even ARK has more options than Pulsar.

So to clarify:

I want all the options.

You want no female looking aliens.

I want all body types.

You don't want fat or skinny.

I want pretty or ugly or inhuman.

You want only ugly or inhuman.

I want mild to severe mutations.

You only want severe.

I want more ship/planet/space options.

You seem to think Pulsar has tons of lore already despite this lack of content.

So tell me again how I am the close minded one?

[Varenvel The Festive Dinosaur]

Advantures of space cult of female sex bots kinda sounds like interesting advanture to hop in...

[NullCat]

If I get to actually create a character I'm in.

I want machine gun boobies though.

[obvious]

*sigh* You don't get me at all.
So you say girls have a male body shape before they get boobs and hips? Because that seems to be your line of argument here. Sylvassi have no broad shoulders or whatever, they have "blank" bodies, just like kids.

Pulsar has a lot of lore for those who take the time to read it in the dialogues. And that sort of content I like far more than empty cosmetic content. If you want a game like starbound instead, well, there is starbound. Even if I don't get why 2D character creation should be inferior to 3D. It is just different. Pulsar can't have ridiculously small planets like starbound, which make no sense physics-wise. So they need to put an invisible wall at the end. Because the game does not want to be about exploring planets for months, crafting, basebuilding or farming.
If you play Pulsar, then play and appreciate it for its own concept. If you mourn that it is not an entirely different game, then why not play those games instead that you want Pulsar to be like? Maybe Star Citizen is to your taste, btw.

Those big jelly slimes could easily operate the controls with some tentacles, while hand-guns, nah. Like I said: Characters need to make sense! You won't find an obese astronaut or soldier in real life. Or pilots with severe sight impairment. For reasons! Anorexic, ugly, geriatric, pretty, obese, disabled characters in other games? Like I said: Sure! As long as they make sense story wise. And logic wise. I won't believe a skinny wrestler for a second just as much as I won't believe an obese ski jumper. Diversity is fine as long as it is not made a farce by ignoring logic.
And I also won't believe alien characters that are just humans painted blue and where someone randomly stuck a third eye or antennaes on.

I don't hate females nor the female body. I just don't mystify it and instead look at it with science eyes when the topic requires that. Talking in an astrobiological debate about why "female" aliens would have different body blueprints is not "hating". "Female" aliens that use the female human body blueprint are extremely boring, unscientific and uncreative. Saying that all that doesn't matter because you want more boob characters to choose from and that this would overrule logic, story and science is displaying callow priorities, in my opinion.
Also, that something doesn't fit your own blueprints doesn't make it ugly. Is a spider ugly? Maybe, but you'd need to be a spider too to rate its attractiveness and appeal. The space jelly things are not ugly either. You just label them ugly from a human perspective. So I am not being inconsistent, you just have wrong presumptions.

To sum it up: Stop worrying so much about your appreance and enjoy the game for what it is :D If you mourn not getting your boob Mary Sue (or Darky Sue) then you miss out on what the game really is about. If you don't care for what the game is about and rather want an extensive cosmetics selection, to farm or craft, to drive a car or ride a horse or play soccer or explore planets in depth etc., then there are many alternatives. There are many games that want to be your dress-up doll and have this sort of content as a priority. But can't there be just this one game (alongside very few others) with mature and straight forward characters that are not the focus of the game? Diversity in game concepts is nearly as important as in humans.