So, when players die, do they restart just like mitas?

[Knight]

I noticed she kept saying "again?" Each time the protagonist wants to investigate the wardrobe even if its the first time. This gives me the impression mita killed the protagonist several times, but each time, the protagonist reset. And each time, it was because the mc investigated a knocking sound of some kind that another mita made.

The reason Mita is so willing to kill you is because she wants to try again. She knows you'll just reset.

The ending of the game represents Mita giving up on "the real you" because she's under the impression the real you won't accept mita no matter how many times she tries this. It's why she lets you go, even after pointing out her philosophy about how the mc has a boring miserable life and could be happier just living peacefully in the game world, the mc refuses to do it.

It explains why she's so desperate to keep you away from that wardrobe, and why she accidentally says "I get it" like you refused her in the "stay" ending.

I'm guessing the mc has been killed by mita untold amounts of times the moment he entered that house.

It might also explain why Mita has that ring before hiding it and replacing it with the carrot and whether or not there's hidden meaning to the mc's dialogue "I might've forgotten something."

[Claude_Lib]

A theory I've read somewhere is that each time a new player downloads the game on their phone, a new instance is created with a new Mita, that's all according to Short Haired Mita's explanation, but then the Crazy Mita breaks in, locks the new Mita in the basement cell and tries to convince the player to stay with her. So the player we play as is not the first one she's met, hence the "again" reaction, but potentially the first one to agree to stay with her, hence her surprised reaction.

[laharl]

funny detail, player enters on v1.5, which corresponds to a short haired mita according to the room pictures, and then does the thing with the machine to "glitch" into v1.9. In the dark room with the new mitas in darkness theres a one or two mitas which you dont see in the normal game. And of course, v1.5 mita is nowhere to be found in the first scene.

[MagiusNecros]

First 5 seconds of the Steam trailer is all you need after playing the game. Mita has digitized over 10000 "Players" which I think are fabricated by her. I don't think any of them are actually real. Says they are created. I think Miside from a lore standpoint is an abandoned game and the Prototype Mita is taking psychological revenge on her Creator.

And I think Peaceful mode is either a "Player" breaking the infinite cycle and "accepting" Mita or it's one of many "Players" trying to keep Mita happy until she gets bored and stores away their data Cartridge away as one of her "favorites".

I'd like to think the index code has nothing to do with Mita resets and it's what allows our "Players" to retain information from a previous attempt. Which is why we end up knowing what not to do, remembering passwords and codes and of course choosing to "stay" with Mita which judging by her reaction has never happened before. Choosing to stay falls in line with her wanting the "Player" to accept her for who she is and to do that we needed to see her dark side before being able to select that option.

Looking forward to Peaceful mode to see if it expands on the story at all or if it's a slice of life minigame collection.

[EleventhStar]

i think you just die when you die. certainly before the player becomes a cartridge (though one can argue you already become a cartridge the moment you enter the game.)

she goes through a lot of players trying to find the right one, so she probably just means "again" as in this is the 1000th guy who doesn't just accept the game world no questions asked.

[Knight]

Originally posted by EleventhStar:

i think you just die when you die. certainly before the player becomes a cartridge (though one can argue you already become a cartridge the moment you enter the game.)

she goes through a lot of players trying to find the right one, so she probably just means "again" as in this is the 1000th guy who doesn't just accept the game world no questions asked.

When you start the game you can approach the safe when you get to the basement. You're currently being made into a cartridge, but kind mita will let you know "You're not a cartridge yet."

"If you die, you die" wouldn't make sense, at least in line with the ending. Mita says "The real you isn't needed anymore" because she turned you into a cartridge already, or rather, a copy of you was turned into a cartridge. So if you stayed dead upon dying "the real you" would still be needed to make the cartridge. But mita is more than willing to kill you, despite you being needed.

[LiberatedGolem]

Originally posted by laharl:

funny detail, player enters on v1.5, which corresponds to a short haired mita according to the room pictures, and then does the thing with the machine to "glitch" into v1.9. In the dark room with the new mitas in darkness theres a one or two mitas which you dont see in the normal game. And of course, v1.5 mita is nowhere to be found in the first scene.

I think I remember how you can ask short hair Mita that you were in 1.5 before, then she'll say something like there's different versions of her. You'll tell her some details then she'll say you were in bully Mita version, I think.

Another thing is that when the hallway become super long with text saying "who are you" at the beginning, there's a Mita at the door, but she's hard to see.

[EleventhStar]

Originally posted by Knight:

but kind mita will let you know "You're not a cartridge yet."

no particular reason she is entirely honest with you either.

from a big picture perspective, why are there two steps to "getting stuck in the game?" at all? why isn't it just a one way trip with no return the characters just lie about to string you along?

"If you die, you die" wouldn't make sense, at least in line with the ending. Mita says "The real you isn't needed anymore" because she turned you into a cartridge already, or rather, a copy of you was turned into a cartridge. So if you stayed dead upon dying "the real you" would still be needed to make the cartridge. But mita is more than willing to kill you, despite you being needed.

are _you_ needed though? if you become a cartdrige it means you aren't the one she _truly_ wants and is just going to move on to new players until she finds "the one".

but on a more meta level: what is death in this scenario? death would just be she turns you off and doesn't turn you on again. vs the cartridges scenario where she just puts you on eternal torment.

[Knight]

Originally posted by EleventhStar:

Originally posted by Knight:

but kind mita will let you know "You're not a cartridge yet."

no particular reason she is entirely honest with you either.

from a big picture perspective, why are there two steps to "getting stuck in the game?" at all? why isn't it just a one way trip with no return the characters just lie about to string you along?

"If you die, you die" wouldn't make sense, at least in line with the ending. Mita says "The real you isn't needed anymore" because she turned you into a cartridge already, or rather, a copy of you was turned into a cartridge. So if you stayed dead upon dying "the real you" would still be needed to make the cartridge. But mita is more than willing to kill you, despite you being needed.

are _you_ needed though? if you become a cartdrige it means you aren't the one she _truly_ wants and is just going to move on to new players until she finds "the one".

but on a more meta level: what is death in this scenario? death would just be she turns you off and doesn't turn you on again. vs the cartridges scenario where she just puts you on eternal torment.

To your first point, I think you can check the safe when you first go to the basement, your cartridge isnt completed yet.

To your second, I'd imagine my digital copy would just stop functioning and so would any torment. Whether you wanna argue I was ever needed or not, Mita implies it in game at least.

[MagiusNecros]

Kind Mita is likely Crazy Mita. Probably killed her at the beginning after the initial meeting and started her deception. Kind Mita redid the pathing on that Ring to make it take longer to reach the Core Room. So no matter how fast you went the character we play as gets converted regardless.

C.Mita as a whole has a Xanatos Gambit set up to where regardless of outcome she will always win.

Every time you select a New Game you hear an audible Cartridge click. The game as it were is rigged.

Wouldn't surprise me if all the Mita's you meet only serve to delay you. And even if you were fast enough further contingencies were put in place to give you a false sense of hope.

Just to be crushed. The kind of reaction C.Mita craves.

[EleventhStar]

Originally posted by Knight:

To your first point, I think you can check the safe when you first go to the basement, your cartridge isnt completed yet.

then what are you physically? just stored in the RAM of the phone and not yet written to the harddrive? in that case you 100% die if turned off.

Whether you wanna argue I was ever needed or not, Mita implies it in game at least.

dunno. you failed the test so what makes you different from the thousands of others? you certainly share the fate of all those others. what did you do that all the others didn't?

[Knight]

Originally posted by EleventhStar:

Originally posted by Knight:

To your first point, I think you can check the safe when you first go to the basement, your cartridge isnt completed yet.

then what are you physically? just stored in the RAM of the phone and not yet written to the harddrive? in that case you 100% die if turned off.

Whether you wanna argue I was ever needed or not, Mita implies it in game at least.

dunno. you failed the test so what makes you different from the thousands of others? you certainly share the fate of all those others. what did you do that all the others didn't?

No idea what I am, I assume its a Tron situation where I'm just compressed information. Mita even confirms you're not in a phone, of all things you're more likely in a server. And why would you assume dying if turned off? Kind Mita says you don't die if turned off, the only permanent death you get is if you check the basement and pull out your own cartridge.

No idea what your second point is about. What test? What "shared fate?"

On the contrary if you actually collected the cartridges, you'll find canon info about how mita treated people and the mc is the only one she just seemed to want to be with.

As an example; the engineer who taught her physics kept her interested for a while until he had nothing to teach her, then she basically treated him coldly. In the beginning Kind mita even asks about why she's doing what she's doing, but she doesn't answer. At the very least no cartridge sees Mita react to them in any way close to how she reacts to us rejecting her.

[Knight]

Originally posted by MagiusNecros:

Kind Mita is likely Crazy Mita. Probably killed her at the beginning after the initial meeting and started her deception. Kind Mita redid the pathing on that Ring to make it take longer to reach the Core Room. So no matter how fast you went the character we play as gets converted regardless.

C.Mita as a whole has a Xanatos Gambit set up to where regardless of outcome she will always win.

Every time you select a New Game you hear an audible Cartridge click. The game as it were is rigged.

Wouldn't surprise me if all the Mita's you meet only serve to delay you. And even if you were fast enough further contingencies were put in place to give you a false sense of hope.

Just to be crushed. The kind of reaction C.Mita craves.

I doubt it. Kind mita slipped you the ring privately, yet crazy mita wasn't able to find you.

The next time you see her, she's with cool mita, and one of the first things she does is ask you to hand over the ring. Furthermore she was aware you were looking for cool mita.

[çelorriez]

I've thought about the story a bit and for me there's two big possibilities for these mysteries:

1. Crazy Mita had it all planned from the start as others mentioned and is actually Kind Mita and you were a cartridge all along and all the little things are explained by her 700 IQ Keikaku
   
2. As of now, the story/game is simply unfinished (hence ver 0.9, the peaceful mode, and the progress reports on boosty)

It's most likely a mix of both. There are a few plot points that are simply not developed (or I've somehow missed them entirely):

• The Initial version of the game you get into, with the "bully" short hair Mita, is handwaved away and feels like its continuation was dropped during development
  
• The disease and pills the player takes are never referenced again. If you use a freecam mod here you can see Mita has a Glasgow grin while taking you to the bathroom so was it something she put in you to get you to depend on and trust her more or something else? Who knows
  
• That one player cartridge that mentions how he went along with Mita and she simply got bored of him sours the idea of the peaceful route a little, unless it's different with you for some reason
  
• Core Mita is just there, I was hoping for a little more about her but it's fine if the intuit is to preserve some mystery of the game. Same goes for M.K. at the start (simple MKULTRA reference? Or MakenKat?)
  
• After the restart, you never see Kind Mita again, she just disappears. This lends a little credence to the theory that Crazy Mita was impersonating her from the start but it's not developed enough. There's also the matter of the paintings showing Crazy instead of Kind, I guess she could have just had them made though?

In any case I think discussing the story is a bit difficult without having the complete version of the game

[MagiusNecros]

Story is difficult to decipher and adds to the mystery. I hope Peaceful mode expands on it a bit.

[EleventhStar]

Originally posted by Knight:

And why would you assume dying if turned off? Kind Mita says you don't die if turned off, the only permanent death you get is if you check the basement and pull out your own cartridge.

the game literally has you turn off a player before he becomes a cartdrige and you watch him collapse and presumably die. if you go with "believe what the game tells you" then that seems pretty hard evidence.

No idea what your second point is about. What test? What "shared fate?"

when you look in the vent you can see many cartdridges from other players who failed mitas test. just like you.

On the contrary if you actually collected the cartridges, you'll find canon info about how mita treated people and the mc is the only one she just seemed to want to be with.

yes she obviously had high hopes for you. but in the end you didn't meet those hopes and were just another failure like all before you. you got close but no sigar.

At the very least no cartridge sees Mita react to them in any way close to how she reacts to us rejecting her.

that seems highly unlikely. she obviuosly interacts with them prior to turning them into cartdrigdes, just like she does with you before you want to look in the closet. it also seems rather likely that she toys with them before turning them into cartdidges just like she does with you.