please scrap the gacha system!

[Zero1]

would rather pay to play then gamble

[Melodia]

Yes, I'm sure they will totally redo the entire game because of one person on Steam.

[Carnack Ketral]

the gacha system is completely segregated from the campaign/story, so I do not see how it affects ones decision to play said campaign.

Aside from the 1 free 10 pull the game gives you as part of the tutorial, I have played through the available campaign section multiple times without ever looking at it.

[MonCapitan2002]

Originally posted by Carnack Ketral:

the gacha system is completely segregated from the campaign/story, so I do not see how it affects ones decision to play said campaign.

Aside from the 1 free 10 pull the game gives you as part of the tutorial, I have played through the available campaign section multiple times without ever looking at it.

And you're part of the problem. Gacha is utterly unacceptable as its design is rooted in the exploitation of people vulnerable to addiction. The dismissive attitude of folks like you accepting such practices is emblematic of part of what is wrong with gaming today. Then, when the publishers do something more heinous and you finally get disgusted and push back wondering when things went so wrong it never occurs to your ilk that your acceptance of such garbage is why things are so bad right now with how the industry conducts its business.

[Carnack Ketral]

Originally posted by MonCapitan2002:

And you're part of the problem. Gacha is utterly unacceptable as its design is rooted in the exploitation of people vulnerable to addiction. The dismissive attitude of folks like you accepting such practices is emblematic of part of what is wrong with gaming today. Then, when the publishers do something more heinous and you finally get disgusted and push back wondering when things went so wrong it never occurs to your ilk that your acceptance of such garbage is why things are so bad right now with how the industry conducts its business.

I am not here to argue ethics. Either play the game, or do not, that is your choice. But do not try to guilt trip and shame people out of something simply because you do not approve of it.

What matters to me, is whether I find the game interesting, engaging and/or enjoyable. The monetization, marketing or social aspects are completely irrelevant to what I choose to play.

I find this game to be quite enjoyable and the story is very interesting, with engaging combat and complex character building. If it continues to be so after full release, I have no compunction about spending money on it.

[PyroMail.com]

Originally posted by Carnack Ketral:

Originally posted by MonCapitan2002:

And you're part of the problem. Gacha is utterly unacceptable as its design is rooted in the exploitation of people vulnerable to addiction. The dismissive attitude of folks like you accepting such practices is emblematic of part of what is wrong with gaming today. Then, when the publishers do something more heinous and you finally get disgusted and push back wondering when things went so wrong it never occurs to your ilk that your acceptance of such garbage is why things are so bad right now with how the industry conducts its business.

I am not here to argue ethics. Either play the game, or do not, that is your choice. But do not try to guilt trip and shame people out of something simply because you do not approve of it.

What matters to me, is whether I find the game interesting, engaging and/or enjoyable. The monetization, marketing or social aspects are completely irrelevant to what I choose to play.

I find this game to be quite enjoyable and the story is very interesting, with engaging combat and complex character building. If it continues to be so after full release, I have no compunction about spending money on it.

After playing the demo I agree with you. One barely notices the gacha element in this game, because the storyline completely voids it. Getting Units per gold or decisions is nice. But one had to play the demo to know that. Which our forebear didn't bother to.

[Rail]

Originally posted by Melodia:

Yes, I'm sure they will totally redo the entire game because of one person on Steam.

thanks for the confirmation, can't wait for the full rework.

[TheMetalfreak360]

It is hard for myself, I agree with the statement, but I also am a person that thinks people need to choose for themselves, either play it, or don't, like Carnack Ketral writes here.

For some this will be a deal breaker, and for some it is acceptable as long as it isn't that bad, and for others they actually like Gacha systems. Every person needs to make their own choice. While I agree it is a practice that feeds on those vulnerable for these things, for somebody like me that don't really spend cash on gacha games but play them from time to time, I don't mind that much. Ofc it depends on what the model is.

Because the way I see it, gacha games are not gonna dissapear because me, a person that don't use the system, don't play it or not, it is gonna depend on the whales like always, if they go, that is when the gacha system will go as well. But I don't see that happening.

So tbh, ngl I feel conflicted, wish it was without it personally as well.

But as Melodia writes, I hard doubt they can or are willing to change it before release.

[ShadowLief]

I agree with what OP is saying on paper. It's even what has caused me to look into private servers and game development. One of my favorite games to play for a while was Alchemist Code. Gumi replaced it with FF Tactics WOTV. The grind is absolutely horrid in that game to the point to where i quit very quickly after new player benefits were lost.

I have also found that they can be incredibly fun, but are most fun once you have already built to somewhat keep up with event content. The fun comes from endlessly releasing content that continues to challenge you. It's unfortunately a difficult formula to have without some source of continuous income stream. World of Warcraft and Final Fantasy 14 does it with a subscription. Gacha games do it with gacha. As another note, I've only spent about $15 on a gacha game and that was for ad removal. I refuse to spend money on the gacha system and usually any other systems like microtransactions, battle passes of any kind, in game shop items, ect.

I do think we need to find a better way to fund these types of games, if we want that kind of experience to remain available. Unfortunately until we find a better way to fund these experiences AND we stop supporting the gacha mechanic, then we'll continue to have this problem with so many gacha games everywhere. This game is so far one of the most F2P friendly titles I've seen. If the balance is done perfectly, it's almost like a longterm roguelike.

[TheMetalfreak360]

Originally posted by ShadowLief:

I agree with what OP is saying on paper. It's even what has caused me to look into private servers and game development. One of my favorite games to play for a while was Alchemist Code. Gumi replaced it with FF Tactics WOTV. The grind is absolutely horrid in that game to the point to where i quit very quickly after new player benefits were lost.

I have also found that they can be incredibly fun, but are most fun once you have already built to somewhat keep up with event content. The fun comes from endlessly releasing content that continues to challenge you. It's unfortunately a difficult formula to have without some source of continuous income stream. World of Warcraft and Final Fantasy 14 does it with a subscription. Gacha games do it with gacha. As another note, I've only spent about $15 on a gacha game and that was for ad removal. I refuse to spend money on the gacha system and usually any other systems like microtransactions, battle passes of any kind, in game shop items, ect.

I do think we need to find a better way to fund these types of games, if we want that kind of experience to remain available. Unfortunately until we find a better way to fund these experiences AND we stop supporting the gacha mechanic, then we'll continue to have this problem with so many gacha games everywhere. This game is so far one of the most F2P friendly titles I've seen. If the balance is done perfectly, it's almost like a longterm roguelike.

I think the big one for me will be whether you have to use the gacha extensively to get past a certain point. Say there is a fight you simply cannot get past unless you have a Super Elite Mega Character or whatever. If you can get past most if not all with just good planning and actually playing the game well, then I am cool with it having gacha, but if not, then I will probably drop it there and then.

[raμza84]

scrap the gacha system?
I think the game was built around this...

[Scase is KING of Narwhals]

Can someone explain how the system works here? Like you have to gamble for units to play single player? Or just for some online stuff?

[ʀɑԲiɳɦɑ]

I don't know why, people like the gatcha system, I completely lost interest because of it!

[Phoenix.]

Originally posted by Scase is KING of Narwhals:

Can someone explain how the system works here? Like you have to gamble for units to play single player? Or just for some online stuff?

You gamble for units for the online stuff, and you can bring 3 of them into the single player at the start. So you can bring some of the ones you like most since recruiting in sigle player is randomized (but in some rare cases those can be even better than the ones you brought).

[Naruto0408]

Prefer to just pay for games as does probably most of the turn based tactics market. However, it isn't really a turn-off to me either. Just don't see it as the big deal some folks are making it out to be. Although maybe that changes when it's actually out and the demo isn't an accurate representation (however, would doubt that being the case)

[Sorceress]

Yeah I'm also going to skip this game, not a fan of gacha.