Another "Just make a complete game and charge for it" post

[Pollux]

Just make a tactics game instead of a psychology of exploitation experiment: What do tactics players want in a game?
Not progression throttling.
Not Predatory Gatcha Mechanics.
Not 3rd party access required gameplay
Not invasive background data collection.

[Boondock]

for real.

[Mixer]

Yup I am not interested in a gacha game either, one day we will get a new tactics game.

[incendia]

It's disappointing. I downloaded the demo fully blind and I was practically ready to shut the demo off and just buy the game on release based on how charming the pixel art looked when it hit me with a 1x / 10x gacha pull tutorial. I just hit alt+F4 and I'm instantly done, no looking back.

[Carnack Ketral]

I already know I am not going to change anyone's minds, but the gacha is wholly unrelated to the story/campaign.

I would say do not knock it before you try it, but I know it would fall on deaf ears.

[Pollux]

needing keys to play the single player game is gatcha... forcing players into invasive 3rd party scans once a week to get 'free' keys is gatcha...

[Harley]

This is such a dumb thing they are doing. Who in their right mind is going to play a single player P2W gatcha game. I would maybe understand if this game had multiplayer but, wtf lol.

[Naruto0408]

Originally posted by Harley:

This is such a dumb thing they are doing. Who in their right mind is going to play a single player P2W gatcha game. I would maybe understand if this game had multiplayer but, wtf lol.

Game doesn't have multiplayer? I thought there was gonna be some PvP or something

[RayofLight]

Same, will not support this business model ever, sad, was happy i stumbled upon this but then i saw in app purchases and realised it is a Gacha, urgh. And to top it off energy and login system for a single player game.

[Yuki sanada]

Originally posted by Harley:

This is such a dumb thing they are doing. Who in their right mind is going to play a single player P2W gatcha game. I would maybe understand if this game had multiplayer but, wtf lol.

While I understand the concept of pay-to-win, it seems that nowadays it has transformed into pay to skip content or skip the grind, which ultimately ruins the gaming experience. I agree that the game is okay, and I appreciate your insights. As a gamer, I enjoy these types of games for their entertainment value. However, I firmly believe that microtransactions are detrimental as they allow players to bypass content and disrupt the game's balance., I am concerned about the growing trend of pay-to-skip content, which undermines the essence of gaming. It's clear that the existence of pay-to-skip options caters to those who dislike grinding, but its overall impact on the gaming community is worrisome.

[Taerdin]

I'm a tactics player. I just want a fun tactics game to play. Sword of Convallaria is that, so I'm going to play it and have fun. It's extremely F2P friendly, and the story interests me just from the demo alone.

I don't mind if you have a crusade against certain business practices, but you don't speak for all tactics players. Cheers.

[Fantasy]

Originally posted by Taerdin:

I'm a tactics player. I just want a fun tactics game to play. Sword of Convallaria is that, so I'm going to play it and have fun. It's extremely F2P friendly, and the story interests me just from the demo alone.

I don't mind if you have a crusade against certain business practices, but you don't speak for all tactics players. Cheers.

I don't know where the impression that it is f2p people get. The gacha is horrendous, it has 180 pity with 50-50% and 2% as a rate. Then there is a weapon banner. It will also have a real time pvp which is obviously not a f2p mode.

[Taerdin]

Originally posted by badass:

I don't know where the impression that it is f2p people get. The gacha is horrendous, it has 180 pity with 50-50% and 2% as a rate. Then there is a weapon banner. It will also have a real time pvp which is obviously not a f2p mode.

I've actually done a ton of research on the game, so I know way more than most do about it. There is a 100 pity timer that guarantees a legendary. Actually people who play the game tell me they basically never hit the 180 pity. The 180 pity guarantees the featured character, there's not 50/50 at the 180 pity. The 100 pity and the 180 pity are separate timers also.

2% rate is actually quite good, that means 2 legends after 100 pulls (% means out of 100). So If you know it's 2% then why would you think you have to pull 180 times to get a legend? Top tier legends are not required to play and enjoy the story. I know a player on TW server that clears the story without legends as a fun challenge to themselves, and they haven't had any issues. Free players can earn 1-2 legends each month easily just with free currency obtained through gameplay.

The signature weapon banner is getting pushback on the TW server, so much so that it got delayed for release on the CN server. The devs have already added a way to farm the weapons which doesn't involve spending pulls at all due to the pushback. They might be adjusting it further, as evidenced by the fact that they have yet to release it on CN.

The PVP has matchmaking, so you should be matched with a similarly powered player. As a free player you won't top the leaderboards, that's true. But there's still a non-gacha branching story mode (Spiral of Destiny) which is really fun and if you just want to play a tactics RPG you can focus on this mode and enjoy the non-gacha mode. Free players shouldn't expect to top leaderboards in a gacha game, so I still think the game is extremely F2P friendly. I know someone on the TW server who is F2P and they rank top 95% on the TW server PVP anyways, so you can still be competitive if you understand the mechanics and spend you resources wisely.

It's okay if the game is not for you, or if being negative about it makes you feel better. But I do think you're being overly negative. If the argument is that you want a tactics game without gacha, then just play the story modes without engaging with the gacha, and enjoy the beautiful art and music, cool animations, interesting story, etc. There is a fun tactics game in here for people who want to find and enjoy it.

Top tier legends are not required to enjoy the tactics RPG in Sword of Convallaria, it seems odd to me to argue that it's not F2P friendly when this thread is about enjoying a tactics game... and yet all your arguments are about the gacha mechanics themselves and not any actual gating of the story (which there is none, except keys/stamina which is easily obtained for free over time).

I hope you have fun if you do end up trying the game though. Cheers :)

[Tale]

These day and age, it's either Gacha, or Denuvo. Pick your poison.

[Dr. Aohx]

Originally posted by Taerdin:

Originally posted by badass:

I don't know where the impression that it is f2p people get. The gacha is horrendous, it has 180 pity with 50-50% and 2% as a rate. Then there is a weapon banner. It will also have a real time pvp which is obviously not a f2p mode.

I've actually done a ton of research on the game, so I know way more than most do about it. There is a 100 pity timer that guarantees a legendary. Actually people who play the game tell me they basically never hit the 180 pity. The 180 pity guarantees the featured character, there's not 50/50 at the 180 pity. The 100 pity and the 180 pity are separate timers also.

2% rate is actually quite good, that means 2 legends after 100 pulls (% means out of 100). So If you know it's 2% then why would you think you have to pull 180 times to get a legend? Top tier legends are not required to play and enjoy the story. I know a player on TW server that clears the story without legends as a fun challenge to themselves, and they haven't had any issues. Free players can earn 1-2 legends each month easily just with free currency obtained through gameplay.

The signature weapon banner is getting pushback on the TW server, so much so that it got delayed for release on the CN server. The devs have already added a way to farm the weapons which doesn't involve spending pulls at all due to the pushback. They might be adjusting it further, as evidenced by the fact that they have yet to release it on CN.

The PVP has matchmaking, so you should be matched with a similarly powered player. As a free player you won't top the leaderboards, that's true. But there's still a non-gacha branching story mode (Spiral of Destiny) which is really fun and if you just want to play a tactics RPG you can focus on this mode and enjoy the non-gacha mode. Free players shouldn't expect to top leaderboards in a gacha game, so I still think the game is extremely F2P friendly. I know someone on the TW server who is F2P and they rank top 95% on the TW server PVP anyways, so you can still be competitive if you understand the mechanics and spend you resources wisely.

It's okay if the game is not for you, or if being negative about it makes you feel better. But I do think you're being overly negative. If the argument is that you want a tactics game without gacha, then just play the story modes without engaging with the gacha, and enjoy the beautiful art and music, cool animations, interesting story, etc. There is a fun tactics game in here for people who want to find and enjoy it.

Top tier legends are not required to enjoy the tactics RPG in Sword of Convallaria, it seems odd to me to argue that it's not F2P friendly when this thread is about enjoying a tactics game... and yet all your arguments are about the gacha mechanics themselves and not any actual gating of the story (which there is none, except keys/stamina which is easily obtained for free over time).

I hope you have fun if you do end up trying the game though. Cheers :)

I agree with almost everything said except for the 2% paragraph. It's a probability, so it's not guaranteed that you will get it in 100 pulls, the same way that there is a chance you could get it on the first 10 pulls.

[Pharticus Maximus]

I like to have games where they add content over time, you can play the SINGLE PLAYER mode and quit after that