This tutorial is very sloppy!!

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Why are 16 archers left .. or .. Why do the 12 axe fighters only inflct 8 damage?

This can not be explained with the +50% strength bonus ( meaning +50% damage inflicting per archer) rule. Hence there is clearly a rule which is NOT mentioned on that tutorial printscreen.

Please add this rule here _____ . Thank you!

[cyberwarlord13]

Against your axes, that's 15 archer units worth.
Each Unit has 50% bonus / making 2 units count as 3 units.

By combining his arrows into axes you would reduce losses by 5 units in total.
Making sure to send the arrows into the axes as they are equal.

At disadvantage meaning the units only reduce 2 for every 3.
So if you only had 9 axes against 10 arrows the enemy only looses 6 units.

It's rock paper scissors.


This was all on that screen cap.

[Spawnling]

Originally posted by Doc✪Hollywood✪4✪Ukraine:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3490582395

Why are 16 archers left .. or .. Why do the 12 axe fighters only inflct 8 damage?

This can not be explained with the +50% strength bonus ( meaning +50% damage inflicting per archer) rule. Hence there is clearly a rule which is NOT mentioned on that tutorial printscreen.

Please add this rule here _____ . Thank you!

8 * 1.5 = 12
That's the +50% strength advantage.

"Each type has advantage against a certain other, giving them +50% strength (meaning 2 soldiers can eliminate 3 opponents)."
2 archers die while killing 3 axes
4 archers die while killing 6 axes
6 archers die while killing 9 axes
8 archers die while killing 12 axes

I perfer to multiply the troop with disadvantage by 2/3 to see how many units will die.

[cyberwarlord13]

Originally posted by Spawnling:

Originally posted by Doc✪Hollywood✪4✪Ukraine:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3490582395

Why are 16 archers left .. or .. Why do the 12 axe fighters only inflct 8 damage?

This can not be explained with the +50% strength bonus ( meaning +50% damage inflicting per archer) rule. Hence there is clearly a rule which is NOT mentioned on that tutorial printscreen.

Please add this rule here _____ . Thank you!

8 * 1.5 = 12
That's the +50% strength advantage.

"Each type has advantage against a certain other, giving them +50% strength (meaning 2 soldiers can eliminate 3 opponents)."
2 archers die while killing 3 axes
4 archers die while killing 6 axes
6 archers die while killing 9 axes
8 archers die while killing 12 axes

I perfer to multiply the troop with disadvantage by 2/3 to see how many units will die.

So how much wood can a wood chuck chuck then?
and does it take all the kings horse or just the men?
If a river runs dry, does it count as river tiles?

[Spawnling]

Originally posted by cyberwarlord13:

So how much wood can a wood chuck chuck then?
and does it take all the kings horse or just the men?
If a river runs dry, does it count as river tiles?

As much wood as a woodchuck could chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood
A frying pan would be more fitting
Yes

[cyberwarlord13]

Originally posted by Spawnling:

Originally posted by cyberwarlord13:

So how much wood can a wood chuck chuck then?
and does it take all the kings horse or just the men?
If a river runs dry, does it count as river tiles?

As much wood as a woodchuck could chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood
A frying pan would be more fitting
Yes

[ƒ=Ω±Σ√(n-2eⁿ)² [φ;∞[]

The rule says +50% strength which I interprete as +50% damage. Is that wrong?


Hence the 24 archers attack like 36, doing 36 damage.

The 12 axes do not have a bonus, so they do 12 damage.

12 archers - 36 damage = all archers dead

24 axes - 12 damage = 12 axes survive


But the pictures shows 16 survived: Why? What is the additional rule not explained here?

In case there isn't an additional rule, then please explain the real meaning of "strength" in this game. As mentioned before I interprete it as damage-inflicting, but that doesn't explain the number of survivors. Thank you.

[Spawnling]

Originally posted by Doc✪Hollywood:

The rule says +50% strength which I read as +50% damage.

Hence the 24 archers attack like 36, doing 36 damage.

The 12 axes do not have a bonus, so they do 12 damage.

12 archers - 36 damage = all archers dead

24 axes - 12 damage = 12 axes survive


But the pictures shows 16 survived: Why? What is the additional rule not explained here?

Sorry, your numbers make neither sense nor is your example. That aside, from what you try to ask:
Without any advantage it's a 1on1 trade. 1 Soldier dies to killl an enemy.
12 Soldiers die, when they kill 12 enemies.

With Advantage, each Soldier kills 1.5 enemies.
8 Soldiers (8*1.5=12) die to kill 12 enemies.

You can't calculate Soldiers times 1.5 (24*1.5 = 36) minus enemies (12).
You'd have to calculate "(Soldiers with advantage * 1.5 minus enemies) * 1.5^-1" to get the number of surviving soldiers.
That's how math works.

After adding a strength bonus to your soldiers, you have to remove the strength bonus afterwards to see how many soldiers survived.

Let me make an over the top example:
- You have 10 Soldiers
- There are 10 enemies
- You have an advante where each of your Soldiers can kill 10 enemies before dying
After the battle do you have:
1) 90 Soldiers
2) 9 Soldiers
left?

[Hornet]

You may think of it like this, only soldiers who fight will gain the advantage, those who don't fight won't gain it. So its not 24*1.5-12, but 24-12/1.5, that (12/1.5) is the number of troops gained that group advantage.

[ƒ=Ω±Σ√(n-2eⁿ)² [φ;∞[]

Originally posted by Lilysa:

You may think of it like this, only soldiers who fight will gain the advantage, those who don't fight won't gain it. So its not 24*1.5-12, but 24-12/1.5, that (12/1.5) is the number of troops gained that group advantage.

I dont get that rule. Actually you didn't say what rule that is.

[ƒ=Ω±Σ√(n-2eⁿ)² [φ;∞[]

Originally posted by Spawnling:

Sorry, your numbers make neither sense nor is your example. That aside, from what you try to ask:
Without any advantage it's a 1on1 trade. 1 Soldier dies to killl an enemy.
12 Soldiers die, when they kill 12 enemies.

With Advantage, each Soldier kills 1.5 enemies.
8 Soldiers (8*1.5=12) die to kill 12 enemies.

You can't calculate Soldiers times 1.5 (24*1.5 = 36) minus enemies (12).
You'd have to calculate "(Soldiers with advantage * 1.5 minus enemies) * 1.5^-1" to get the number of surviving soldiers.
That's how math works.

After adding a strength bonus to your soldiers, you have to remove the strength bonus afterwards to see how many soldiers survived.

Let me make an over the top example:
- You have 10 Soldiers
- There are 10 enemies
- You have an advante where each of your Soldiers can kill 10 enemies before dying
After the battle do you have:
1) 90 Soldiers
2) 9 Soldiers
left?

The example is straight from the picture.

Also you didnt state a rule. Please explain the rule with clear words.

Alternatively, as aked above, explain what *strength* is meaning in this game, if it something other than damage(-inflicting).

Thank you.

[Hornet]

Originally posted by Doc✪Hollywood:

Originally posted by Lilysa:

You may think of it like this, only soldiers who fight will gain the advantage, those who don't fight won't gain it. So its not 24*1.5-12, but 24-12/1.5, that (12/1.5) is the number of troops gained that group advantage.

I dont get that rule. Actually you didn't say what rule that is.

The rule is that not all soldiers will gain +50% strength, only those who fight will gain +50%. How many soldiers will fight? That is the number needed to eliminate all current opponents(12 axe). In OP example, you only need 8 soldiers to fight and enough for eliminating all 12 axe. The other 16 soldiers won't gain +50% strength.

[ƒ=Ω±Σ√(n-2eⁿ)² [φ;∞[]

Originally posted by Lilysa:

Originally posted by Doc✪Hollywood:

I dont get that rule. Actually you didn't say what rule that is.

The rule is that not all soldiers will gain +50% strength, only those who fight will gain +50%. How many soldiers will fight? That is the number needed to eliminate all current opponents(12 axe).

As I understand all fighters fight at once: 24 archers with bonus fighting like 36. And 12 archers fighting as 12. Nowhere is written that one side attacks first, and only the survivors of the other team will then fight back.

Let's try it other way round: What is *strength* meaning in this game?

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I dont get into the flow in this game because so many things are unclear or seemingly not working. I have 2.6 hours playtime, too late for a refund. Now I have to learn it - no choice here. I wish the game would just explain more (or better).

[Spawnling]

Originally posted by Doc✪Hollywood:

The example is straight from the picture.

Also you didnt state a rule. Please explain the rule with clear words.

Alternatively, as aked above, explain what *strength* is meaning in this game, if it something other than damage(-inflicting).

Thank you.

You calculate combat power not the remaining units. You calculate the wrong thing.

[Hornet]

Originally posted by Doc✪Hollywood:

Originally posted by Lilysa:

The rule is that not all soldiers will gain +50% strength, only those who fight will gain +50%. How many soldiers will fight? That is the number needed to eliminate all current opponents(12 axe).

As I understand all fighters fight at once: 24 archers with bonus fighting like 36. And 12 archers fighting as 12. Nowhere is written that one side attacks first, and only the survivors of the other team will then fight back.

Let's try it other way round: What is *strength* meaning in this game?

Forget what I said earlier.

You misunderstand sth. The game never said that soldiers will increase their group size when fighting with bonus. It said soldiers can kill more enemies or eliminate more opponents. Strength means the power to kill enemies, +50% Strength means each soldier gain more power. So now with more power, 1 soldiers can kill 1.5 enemies.