Legacy of Kain™ Soul Reaver 1&2 Remastered

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Defiance is Soul Reaver 3
Originally posted by life is dank:
Defiance is Soul Reaver 3
AND Blood Omen 3.
Chaz Feb 23 @ 7:49pm 
The closest thing we got to Soul Reaver 3 was the official game Nosgoth. But it's not what you thing. Check it out, it's still on Steam.


Oh wait, my bad. That game was so horrible I remember they took it down.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3433342387
Last edited by Chaz; Feb 23 @ 7:52pm
Originally posted by Chaz:
The closest thing we got to Soul Reaver 3 was the official game Nosgoth. But it's not what you thing. Check it out, it's still on Steam.


Oh wait, my bad. That game was so horrible I remember they took it down.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3433342387
lol no... Nosgoth was not that, Speaking as someone that played it... it most def was not that. Nosgoth was a F2P/P2W arena battler wearing & defiling Legacy of Kain's corpse to sell microtransactions.

Defiance meanwhile literally WAS Soul Reaver 3 & Blood Omen 3 in one game.
Last edited by Kenshiro3; Feb 23 @ 8:24pm
would have to do some very strange plot gymnastics to get a soul reaver 3. the next game would either be defiance 2 or blood omen 3.
Dzaka Feb 24 @ 11:25am 
Originally posted by ZexxCrine:
would have to do some very strange plot gymnastics to get a soul reaver 3. the next game would either be defiance 2 or blood omen 3.

there's a section of the fanbase that believes defiance isn't canon. because raziel died. and that isn't allowed

or something like that

they are wrong.. but still
Defiance was actually going to be called Soul Reaver 3 at first.

But they changed it cause its not just about Raziel again. So its now SR3 and BO3 at the same time.

Dark Prophecy got cancelled, but probably would have shown Kain placing the soul reaver sword back to where it was during BO1. Which would close that loop.
Last edited by mdesaleah; Mar 2 @ 3:01pm
Comparing the f2p nosgoth game to any soul reaver installment is such a shallow take tbh. It was hardly legacy of kain at all.
Mora Mar 3 @ 12:32am 
Nosgoth was suppose to be the multiplayer mode of the cancel game Legacy of Kain Dead Sun
I hope they do more with the IP a blood omen remake not a remaster would be good, or some continuation of the series.

Shows how popular the IP is even years later, which is slightly confusing considering how complicated SR1 is when it comes to puzzles, playing this as a kid I didn't even make it to the 1st boss but the game still had a lasting impression on me.
Originally posted by Fear Ghoul:
A problem I have with the story is that they never actually explain what Raziel's free will even is.

Tbh, the whole story is a stretch.
Soul Reaver 1 was supposed to be a stand alone.
They were forced to make a "cliffhanger".
Everything beyond that is just the devs trying to catch to whatever they can to seems like they have a story to tell when they don't have any.

Sure, back in the day it seemed pretty deep you had to wait a few years in between and the new game was there and bam, let's go, but I've litterally played SR 1/2/Defiance back to back and, oh boy, it's filled with non-sense and plot holes, some stuff even contradicts themselves at time.

Even Amy Henings herself said that she was forced to rewrite and erase part of the story depending on what part was cut in development or by side projects (like Blood Omen 2) and had to try to keep up with the added lore.

The whole story is a mess and should definitely be re-written.
Is it bad? hell no, it's a pretty good story.
Is it good ? probably not as much as some people claims it is (pink nostalgia glasses issue).

SR1 ends up with raziel running after Kain, ready to kill him for good and being all "you turned me into a monster!", then he just stops, you don't really know why and the two gets along .

SR2 introduce the Elder god as a menace when SR1 made him clearly a good guy and the vampire were actually what suffocated Nosgoth.

Legacy of Kain really suffer of those crappy story and lore added on top of each others without any "big plan" or long term view.

Don't get me wrong, LOK is one of my all time favourite licence, I love the story, the univers, but the story in itself is faaar from being a genius thing or a magnum opus.

You can really tell they didn't knew where they were going, and the "raziel's free will" is one of those bullsh*ts.

Just ask Amy Hening, I'm sure she'll shrugs her shoulders like "well, it sounded cool at the moment..."

Defiance ends up with basically Raziel getting trapped in the reavers (but how does the reavers had Raziel in it all along? heh, never explained, it's a total non-sense).
Last edited by Baron Borie; Mar 11 @ 12:39pm
Originally posted by Baron Borie:
The whole story is a mess and should definitely be re-written.
Is it bad? hell no, it's a pretty good story.
Is it good ? probably not as much as some people claims it is (pink nostalgia glasses issue).

That's basically my opinion as well. Despite my complaints, I do think the story overall is good.

SR1 ends up with raziel running after Kain, ready to kill him for good and being all "you turned me into a monster!", then he just stops, you don't really know why and the two gets along .

I don't entirely agree here. Raziel is ready to kill Kain when he meets him at the Pillars, and with the way Moebius was acting, maybe that also made him hesitate a bit to listen to Kain. I think Raziel having a conversation with Kain first is very in character for him, since he did it constantly with the enemies in Soul Reaver. Watching the Pillars be corrupted combined with everything Kain said then, I think it makes sense that he would hesitate and let Kain go. As the game goes on, he realizes killing Kain is what his enemies want, so he's trying to figure out what the right course of action is regarding Kain.

SR2 introduce the Elder god as a menace when SR1 made him clearly a good guy and the vampire were actually what suffocated Nosgoth.

I really disagree here. The original ending to Soul Reaver had Raziel realize he was being used and still going back in time I'm pretty sure (I've believed this for a long time, and while I can't find it now, I remember an interview with Cabuco I think where he basically says that's what was planned). I think from the very beginning Raziel was supposed to have been used by the Elder God, and that Raziel was supposed to realize this.

Defiance ends up with basically Raziel getting trapped in the reavers (but how does the reavers had Raziel in it all along? heh, never explained, it's a total non-sense).

The Reaver sucked in Raziel's soul, but a problem I have is that the method seems to change from Soul Reaver 2 to Defiance. In Soul Reaver 2, Raziel seems to say that his future soul is consuming his past soul, which traps the soul in the Reaver, while in Defiance, we see Raziel's soul just travel through Kain's body into the Reaver Kain is holding.
Last edited by Fear Ghoul; Mar 11 @ 4:08pm
Dzaka Mar 11 @ 4:45pm 
Originally posted by Fear Ghoul:
Originally posted by Baron Borie:
The whole story is a mess and should definitely be re-written.
Is it bad? hell no, it's a pretty good story.
Is it good ? probably not as much as some people claims it is (pink nostalgia glasses issue).

That's basically my opinion as well. Despite my complaints, I do think the story overall is good.

SR1 ends up with raziel running after Kain, ready to kill him for good and being all "you turned me into a monster!", then he just stops, you don't really know why and the two gets along .

I don't entirely agree here. Raziel is ready to kill Kain when he meets him at the Pillars, and with the way Moebius was acting, maybe that also made him hesitate a bit to listen to Kain. I think Raziel having a conversation with Kain first is very in character for him, since he did it constantly with the enemies in Soul Reaver. Watching the Pillars be corrupted combined with everything Kain said then, I think it makes sense that he would hesitate and let Kain go. As the game goes on, he realizes killing Kain is what his enemies want, so he's trying to figure out what the right course of action is regarding Kain.

SR2 introduce the Elder god as a menace when SR1 made him clearly a good guy and the vampire were actually what suffocated Nosgoth.

I really disagree here. The original ending to Soul Reaver had Raziel realize he was being used and still going back in time I'm pretty sure (I've believed this for a long time, and while I can't find it now, I remember an interview with Cabuco I think where he basically says that's what was planned). I think from the very beginning Raziel was supposed to have been used by the Elder God, and that Raziel was supposed to realize this.

Defiance ends up with basically Raziel getting trapped in the reavers (but how does the reavers had Raziel in it all along? heh, never explained, it's a total non-sense).

The Reaver sucked in Raziel's soul, but a problem I have is that the method seems to change from Soul Reaver 2 to Defiance. In Soul Reaver 2, Raziel seems to say that his future soul is consuming his past soul, which traps the soul in the Reaver, while in Defiance, we see Raziel's soul just travel through Kain's body into the Reaver Kain is holding.


in defiance raziel takes over mobius' dead body and gets up. and kain stabs him before the foorm peels off to show raziel. raziel the whole time during his "death" is being stabbed by the reaver.

also in SR2 his "future soul is consuming his past soul" is talking about his using the reaver to kill his sarafan knight self. and at that moment the tiny bit of raziels soul that it trapped in that moment primed the reaver blade to house his full soul later. like it was made to do by janos audron when he forged the reaver blade.


also the suffocating that the elder god spoke about was he was on the side of team hilden and the vampyr being made immortal was limiting his ability to devour their souls. so they had to die.

he manipulated mobius for this task. because his soldiers. the hilden. were trapped by the pillars. and his enemies the vampyr weren't dying and feeding him

might want to do a replay of the entire series cause.. you missed some info here and there.

also raziel the whole time he was seeing the ancient vampyr murals through defiance misunderstood that the hilden looking creature with the reaver blade was kain. and that kain was the enemy. when kain was actually the vampyr messiah
Last edited by Dzaka; Mar 11 @ 4:46pm
The Hylden did not work for the Elder God. It's actually the opposite. The Ancient Vampires worshiped the Elder God and his Wheel of Fate, and led a genocidal war against the Hylden for going against it (maybe through studying immortality, which would make sense considering the curse they made).
wrace Mar 12 @ 10:50am 
Originally posted by Fear Ghoul:
In Soul Reaver 2, Raziel seems to say that his future soul is consuming his past soul, which traps the soul in the Reaver, while in Defiance, we see Raziel's soul just travel through Kain's body into the Reaver Kain is holding.
In SR2 exactly the same as in Defiance is happened - Blood Reaver (not Wraith Blade, but under the control of Wraith Blade) tried to consume the current soul of Raziel with the freeing of the Wraith Blade (like it was happened in Defiance with the healing of Kain by Wraith Blade and its freeing). Amy explained this moment.

Originally posted by Dzaka:
also raziel the whole time he was seeing the ancient vampyr murals through defiance misunderstood that the hilden looking creature with the reaver blade was kain. and that kain was the enemy. when kain was actually the vampyr messiah
There is not Kain on the mirrors. Only Raziel. As vampire's and hylden's champions.

Kain is not the "vampyr messiah" - it is Raziel. Kain is the Scion of Balance.
Last edited by wrace; Mar 12 @ 10:50am
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