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Oh wait, my bad. That game was so horrible I remember they took it down.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3433342387
Defiance meanwhile literally WAS Soul Reaver 3 & Blood Omen 3 in one game.
there's a section of the fanbase that believes defiance isn't canon. because raziel died. and that isn't allowed
or something like that
they are wrong.. but still
But they changed it cause its not just about Raziel again. So its now SR3 and BO3 at the same time.
Dark Prophecy got cancelled, but probably would have shown Kain placing the soul reaver sword back to where it was during BO1. Which would close that loop.
Shows how popular the IP is even years later, which is slightly confusing considering how complicated SR1 is when it comes to puzzles, playing this as a kid I didn't even make it to the 1st boss but the game still had a lasting impression on me.
Tbh, the whole story is a stretch.
Soul Reaver 1 was supposed to be a stand alone.
They were forced to make a "cliffhanger".
Everything beyond that is just the devs trying to catch to whatever they can to seems like they have a story to tell when they don't have any.
Sure, back in the day it seemed pretty deep you had to wait a few years in between and the new game was there and bam, let's go, but I've litterally played SR 1/2/Defiance back to back and, oh boy, it's filled with non-sense and plot holes, some stuff even contradicts themselves at time.
Even Amy Henings herself said that she was forced to rewrite and erase part of the story depending on what part was cut in development or by side projects (like Blood Omen 2) and had to try to keep up with the added lore.
The whole story is a mess and should definitely be re-written.
Is it bad? hell no, it's a pretty good story.
Is it good ? probably not as much as some people claims it is (pink nostalgia glasses issue).
SR1 ends up with raziel running after Kain, ready to kill him for good and being all "you turned me into a monster!", then he just stops, you don't really know why and the two gets along .
SR2 introduce the Elder god as a menace when SR1 made him clearly a good guy and the vampire were actually what suffocated Nosgoth.
Legacy of Kain really suffer of those crappy story and lore added on top of each others without any "big plan" or long term view.
Don't get me wrong, LOK is one of my all time favourite licence, I love the story, the univers, but the story in itself is faaar from being a genius thing or a magnum opus.
You can really tell they didn't knew where they were going, and the "raziel's free will" is one of those bullsh*ts.
Just ask Amy Hening, I'm sure she'll shrugs her shoulders like "well, it sounded cool at the moment..."
Defiance ends up with basically Raziel getting trapped in the reavers (but how does the reavers had Raziel in it all along? heh, never explained, it's a total non-sense).
That's basically my opinion as well. Despite my complaints, I do think the story overall is good.
I don't entirely agree here. Raziel is ready to kill Kain when he meets him at the Pillars, and with the way Moebius was acting, maybe that also made him hesitate a bit to listen to Kain. I think Raziel having a conversation with Kain first is very in character for him, since he did it constantly with the enemies in Soul Reaver. Watching the Pillars be corrupted combined with everything Kain said then, I think it makes sense that he would hesitate and let Kain go. As the game goes on, he realizes killing Kain is what his enemies want, so he's trying to figure out what the right course of action is regarding Kain.
I really disagree here. The original ending to Soul Reaver had Raziel realize he was being used and still going back in time I'm pretty sure (I've believed this for a long time, and while I can't find it now, I remember an interview with Cabuco I think where he basically says that's what was planned). I think from the very beginning Raziel was supposed to have been used by the Elder God, and that Raziel was supposed to realize this.
The Reaver sucked in Raziel's soul, but a problem I have is that the method seems to change from Soul Reaver 2 to Defiance. In Soul Reaver 2, Raziel seems to say that his future soul is consuming his past soul, which traps the soul in the Reaver, while in Defiance, we see Raziel's soul just travel through Kain's body into the Reaver Kain is holding.
in defiance raziel takes over mobius' dead body and gets up. and kain stabs him before the foorm peels off to show raziel. raziel the whole time during his "death" is being stabbed by the reaver.
also in SR2 his "future soul is consuming his past soul" is talking about his using the reaver to kill his sarafan knight self. and at that moment the tiny bit of raziels soul that it trapped in that moment primed the reaver blade to house his full soul later. like it was made to do by janos audron when he forged the reaver blade.
also the suffocating that the elder god spoke about was he was on the side of team hilden and the vampyr being made immortal was limiting his ability to devour their souls. so they had to die.
he manipulated mobius for this task. because his soldiers. the hilden. were trapped by the pillars. and his enemies the vampyr weren't dying and feeding him
might want to do a replay of the entire series cause.. you missed some info here and there.
also raziel the whole time he was seeing the ancient vampyr murals through defiance misunderstood that the hilden looking creature with the reaver blade was kain. and that kain was the enemy. when kain was actually the vampyr messiah
There is not Kain on the mirrors. Only Raziel. As vampire's and hylden's champions.
Kain is not the "vampyr messiah" - it is Raziel. Kain is the Scion of Balance.