Defiance should have been included...

[Oddysee]

I've been a big fan of LoK since I was a kid. I've played and loved all the games (well, I didn't like Blood Omen 2) and as such, I'm pretty excited for this remaster. However, I'm also quite disappointed that Defiance isn't included in this when it clearly should be.

Defiance is essentially Soul Reaver 3 and the end of Raziel's story, including it should have been a no brainer. Don't get me wrong, I'm still going to buy the remaster, but having Defiance too would have made it perfect. Anyone know why it's absent here?

[Goneja]

Yeah and not just Defiance, but all 5 games should be present in this remaster. I've payed how much for this? Almost 30 dollars and what did i get, only 2 games??? This is ridiculous... And where is the sequel? I think i've been scammed, by clever corporate machine at this point, oh my god

[Oddysee]

Originally posted by 󠀡󠀡:

Yeah and not just Defiance, but all 5 games should be present in this remaster. I've payed how much for this? Almost 30 dollars and what did i get, only 2 games??? This is ridiculous... And where is the sequel? I think i've been scammed, by clever corporate machine at this point, oh my god

Nice try on the sarcasm, but that has nothing to do with what I said. I never mentioned the other games and I never mentioned the price. If they have to increase the price to add the third game, so be it, I’m fine with that.

Apparently, you think it’s crazy for someone to want the third Soul Reaver game in the SOUL REAVER SERIES remaster, but I don’t. Seems pretty obvious to me.

[Clockwork]

I think, and im just guessing, that soul reaver 1 and 2 were made with the same engine so they were "easy" to remaster together.
And since they dont know how well its going to do they probably didnt want to go all in.

hope to get Blood Omen 2 and Defiance after this.

[Thewhitepawn91]

I think its a technical reason, 1 & 2 unless fixed by the community are kinda borked on pc, but Defiance launches and runs well (for me at least) so i'm guessing this remaster, although gratefully received, on PC is mainly to have playable versions. For consoles, i remember having SR1 on the PS4, not sure about 2 or if they're even playable on PS5. Also, 1 & 2 were supposed to be one game but due to how large it became and technical limitations, they split it, thats why 2 ends on a massive cliff hanger.
I'm hoping defiance will come later though, like the Tombraider and Metal Gear remasters, sets of releases. I would like Defiance remastered though because of the Awkward camera, if they can fix that and update the textures, that would be great.

[Arkayn]

I think Blood Omen 2 and Defiance will come together. Not sure / just guessing.
Also, they may just do for a small price just defiance as the third raziel game and leave Blood omen 1 &2 for either never or together.
Remember, vote with your wallets. They redid TR and a new game is coming. If we want the final story part of LOK then show them the money

[Bonnie Gruesome]

How can you not like Blood Omen 2? It's Kain's story, really the whole series is about Kain. Raz is just a pawn.
I'm hoping renewed interest gets Kain a sequel and gives him a chance to actually change his fate.

[CornBeef]

Originally posted by Bonnie Gruesome:

How can you not like Blood Omen 2? It's Kain's story, really the whole series is about Kain. Raz is just a pawn.
I'm hoping renewed interest gets Kain a sequel and gives him a chance to actually change his fate.

I was introduced to Kain's world through SR1 on the PS1. I personally never really enjoyed the Blood Omen games, but I think that is because I wasn't introduced to the world / story through Blood Omen and instead through Raziel's story in Soul Reaver.

[Mora]

maybe later with Blood Omen 1 & 2 remastered if they made them

[thegroze]

Originally posted by Bonnie Gruesome:

How can you not like Blood Omen 2? It's Kain's story, really the whole series is about Kain. Raz is just a pawn.
I'm hoping renewed interest gets Kain a sequel and gives him a chance to actually change his fate.

There are a couple of reasons why many of us don't like (or don't care about) Blood Omen 2. First of all, like CornBeef said, most fans of the series got into it through Soul Reaver, not Blood Omen, so, to a bunch of the fans Raziel is the character we care about the most, not necessarily Kain.
Then there's the fact the team that worked on Blood Omen 2 had pretty much nothing to do with the other games in the series, except for some kind of common art style, they basically did their own thing and left Amy Hennig to deal with all the loose ends they created with the story they wanted to tell. She did the best she could, and even if what we ended up with isn't perfect by any means, you have to praise her ability to deal with that, just rolling with it and trying to actually incorporate what the "B-team" came up with in BO2 into both Soul Reaver 2 and (especially) Defiance.
There's also the gameplay element, Blood Omen 2 doesn't really play a lot like Soul Reaver, and while it could be argued it actually plays the best out of all of the pre-Defiance LoK titles, at the time it just didn't feel "right" (I remember playing it on the Gamecube, back in the day, coming out of Soul Reaver and Soul Reaver 2, and feeling absolutely uninterested by it). And while Soul Reaver 2 looked downright gorgeous and impressive, for its time, when it was released, Blood Omen 2 looked like yet another game of its generation, nothing more, nothing less.
But going back to my initial point, despite all of the other valid reasons why one wouldn't care much about Blood Omen 2, it's just still mainly because Soul Reaver was just so much popular than Blood Omen and reached a way wider audience. While Soul Reaver kind of became a paragon of PS1 gaming, people just forgot about Blood Omen -- if they even knew about it, to begin with. I'm not trying to discuss whether that's fair or not, whether Blood Omen is actually the better game out of the two (personally, I don't think it is), just stating that Soul Reaver was the entry point into the series for most of the fans, and that it basically kickstarted the series. A series that would've probably gone nowhere if we had to wait for freaking Silicon Knights to actually develop a single sequel to one of their "brilliant" games. Does it suck? Yeah, for Kain fans, for Blood Omen fans, it does. To the rest of us, not really.

[Gonzaxpain]

Originally posted by thegroze:

Originally posted by Bonnie Gruesome:

How can you not like Blood Omen 2? It's Kain's story, really the whole series is about Kain. Raz is just a pawn.
I'm hoping renewed interest gets Kain a sequel and gives him a chance to actually change his fate.

There are a couple of reasons why many of us don't like (or don't care about) Blood Omen 2. First of all, like CornBeef said, most fans of the series got into it through Soul Reaver, not Blood Omen, so, to a bunch of the fans Raziel is the character we care about the most, not necessarily Kain.
Then there's the fact the team that worked on Blood Omen 2 had pretty much nothing to do with the other games in the series, except for some kind of common art style, they basically did their own thing and left Amy Hennig to deal with all the loose ends they created with the story they wanted to tell. She did the best she could, and even if what we ended up with isn't perfect by any means, you have to praise her ability to deal with that, just rolling with it and trying to actually incorporate what the "B-team" came up with in BO2 into both Soul Reaver 2 and (especially) Defiance.
There's also the gameplay element, Blood Omen 2 doesn't really play a lot like Soul Reaver, and while it could be argued it actually plays the best out of all of the pre-Defiance LoK titles, at the time it just didn't feel "right" (I remember playing it on the Gamecube, back in the day, coming out of Soul Reaver and Soul Reaver 2, and feeling absolutely uninterested by it). And while Soul Reaver 2 looked downright gorgeous and impressive, for its time, when it was released, Blood Omen 2 looked like yet another game of its generation, nothing more, nothing less.
But going back to my initial point, despite all of the other valid reasons why one wouldn't care much about Blood Omen 2, it's just still mainly because Soul Reaver was just so much popular than Blood Omen and reached a way wider audience. While Soul Reaver kind of became a paragon of PS1 gaming, people just forgot about Blood Omen -- if they even knew about it, to begin with. I'm not trying to discuss whether that's fair or not, whether Blood Omen is actually the better game out of the two (personally, I don't think it is), just stating that Soul Reaver was the entry point into the series for most of the fans, and that it basically kickstarted the series. A series that would've probably gone nowhere if we had to wait for freaking Silicon Knights to actually develop a single sequel to one of their "brilliant" games. Does it suck? Yeah, for Kain fans, for Blood Omen fans, it does. To the rest of us, not really.

Agreed! To most people I know who like the series it's all about Raziel and Soul Reaver much more than it is about Kain and BO.

That said, I did love BO2 and would love to see it remastered but Soul Reaver is on another level.

Originally posted by Clockwork:

I think, and im just guessing, that soul reaver 1 and 2 were made with the same engine so they were "easy" to remaster together.
And since they dont know how well its going to do they probably didnt want to go all in.

hope to get Blood Omen 2 and Defiance after this.

If this sells well I think another collection with those two games would be very likely. I'd love that, hopefully this time with a free camera for Defiance.

[Hunk Survivor]

Isn't the Defiance source code lost?

[[{******---Dead4Life---******}]]

Just wait for the next, inevitable, collection part2.
Maybe with blood omen 1 and 2 combo pack.
But I agree it SHOULD be in this collection.

[Goneja]

Originally posted by Hunk Survivor:

Isn't the Defiance source code lost?

It wasn't lost, not by any chance at least. The thing is, no one really knows where it is, at the moment

[DaxiraxJr]

Originally posted by Oddysee:

Originally posted by 󠀡󠀡:

Yeah and not just Defiance, but all 5 games should be present in this remaster. I've payed how much for this? Almost 30 dollars and what did i get, only 2 games??? This is ridiculous... And where is the sequel? I think i've been scammed, by clever corporate machine at this point, oh my god

Nice try on the sarcasm, but that has nothing to do with what I said. I never mentioned the other games and I never mentioned the price. If they have to increase the price to add the third game, so be it, I’m fine with that.

Apparently, you think it’s crazy for someone to want the third Soul Reaver game in the SOUL REAVER SERIES remaster, but I don’t. Seems pretty obvious to me.

It's not the SOUL REAVER SERIES remaster, it's the SOUL REAVER 1&2 remastered. It's literally in the title. Defiance doesn't need a remaster, it's fine.

[₦₣Đ]

Originally posted by DaxiraxJr:

Originally posted by Oddysee:

Nice try on the sarcasm, but that has nothing to do with what I said. I never mentioned the other games and I never mentioned the price. If they have to increase the price to add the third game, so be it, I’m fine with that.

Apparently, you think it’s crazy for someone to want the third Soul Reaver game in the SOUL REAVER SERIES remaster, but I don’t. Seems pretty obvious to me.

It's not the SOUL REAVER SERIES remaster, it's the SOUL REAVER 1&2 remastered. It's literally in the title. Defiance doesn't need a remaster, it's fine.

It kinda does actually