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Golden Relic
What kind of weapon is Gilda's Golden Relic? I like the sound of getting a bonus to every stat, but I'm really digging the Scepter Relic's long range homing.
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BoswerLK May 16, 2015 @ 7:21pm 
a spear
K Jam May 16, 2015 @ 7:25pm 
Long range, like thrown?
Or short and stabby?
Mistikman May 16, 2015 @ 7:28pm 
shortish and stabby.

It costs more mana than all the other weapons to attack with though, so expect to spend more time charging yourself back up.
K Jam May 16, 2015 @ 7:37pm 
Ok thanks.
Nathaniel Prime May 16, 2015 @ 7:47pm 
So is it even worth using over, say, the Scepter Relic?
Mistikman May 16, 2015 @ 7:49pm 
Honestly, I find the other weapons more useful either for the attack pattern or the passive bonus. The raw stats just aren't necessarily as useful.
Nathaniel Prime May 17, 2015 @ 1:43am 
So after a five hour run to unlock the Golden Relic, I can indeed confirm that it is basically useless. The raw stat boost is easily outclassed by range and homing of the Scepter Relic. I'm really underwhelmed by it, for something so hard to get.

Sounds like Wyatt's golden weapon is also useless, and I don't think I'd like Vladyn's because it is not a ranged weapon and can't benefit from ancient coins. It sounds like only Reina and maybe Vladyn have a good "ultimate" weapon. What a bummer.
skooma May 17, 2015 @ 1:59am 
I'm not so sure about Vladyn's relic. From my experience I can tell that his demon arm is way better, since you can get a huge synergy with some equipment and talents. That +300% on backstab is pretty useless, because basic kris damage is VERY low. Not to mention your only source of damage is backstab, but sometimes you just can't properly use it. Maybe it scales with magic? If not, why it even exists? These relics really need some rework, imo.
Last edited by skooma; May 17, 2015 @ 2:10am
Pudding May 17, 2015 @ 2:32am 
Originally posted by skooma:
I'm not so sure about Vladyn's relic. From my experience I can tell that his demon arm is way better, since you can get a huge synergy with some equipment and talents. That +300% on backstab is pretty useless, because basic kris damage is VERY low. Not to mention your only source of damage is backstab, but sometimes you just can't properly use it. Maybe it scales with magic? If not, why it even exists? These relics really need some rework, imo.

....with the right set up, the kris backstab damage can reach till 13000


yep, 13k damage in one hit
myhr2 May 17, 2015 @ 2:38am 
Golden Shell has innate Force Guard, that is awesome. Gilda's Golden relic has a defense boost effect, which is really nice in the early game, since she's so squishy.

Most people build their character offensivly, which is indeed very efficient : the best way to avoid damage is to eleminate its source. But defensive characters are far from useless. ;)
Serpit May 17, 2015 @ 8:48am 
Originally posted by Orchid:
Originally posted by skooma:
I'm not so sure about Vladyn's relic. From my experience I can tell that his demon arm is way better, since you can get a huge synergy with some equipment and talents. That +300% on backstab is pretty useless, because basic kris damage is VERY low. Not to mention your only source of damage is backstab, but sometimes you just can't properly use it. Maybe it scales with magic? If not, why it even exists? These relics really need some rework, imo.

....with the right set up, the kris backstab damage can reach till 13000


yep, 13k damage in one hit

What setup would this be? I actually just finished my Vladyn run yesterday (Demon arm with Fighter's Bandages), and the question that plagues me is - would the Kris be able to surpass the performance of that setup, or just do ridiculous crits in niche cases? Because I was killing Eye of Alagath in 10 seconds flat anyway, with ~450 attack and almost 100% crit chance.
Last edited by Serpit; May 17, 2015 @ 8:53am
Pudding May 17, 2015 @ 9:06am 
highlander hood with maxed charge and a wanderer's raiment lvl 3.....do not underestimate the 30% crit damage....also it's a full agi build
Spindles May 17, 2015 @ 9:26am 
On the plus side about Gilda's Golden Relic, the attacks are not considered "melee" and are, in fact, ranged spears that travel a longer distance. This means that parries will not stun you. The attacks also pierce and strike multiple foes quite easily.

The Defensive Buff provided will prevent something along the lines of 4-5% dmg taken per charge. However, I feel like it takes far too long to charge them up.

The stats provided make it the strongest weapon available as a base choice, but the ONE thing keeping it mostly out of use is the capped mana cost.


Gilda's weapons all scale up their mana cost per rank of upgrade. This means that a Scepter Relic would cost 15 or 16 mana per swing at rank 4 (MAX). But the Golden Relic starts at this capped mana value at level 1. This means it is very inefficient at long term combat due to mana shortage, and next to impossible to utilize at low level.
By the time you can use it effectively over a long fight, you would have to farm the 20 capped Angel Sapphires for the mana steal, and if you wanted to weave high level spells in while swinging it, you'd better grab some more upgrades for %Mana or Regen or toss Faolan in as your assist.

The best use I've found for the Golden Relic is against bosses like Shu Ghoth. You can only hit him around 11-12 times before he teleports on you, and when he does so, you have plenty of time to chant on your way over to his next destination. You want your burst of damage to be as strong as possible, so the weapon works well here boosting your attack and spell damage.



I just think the mana cost of the weapon swing should scale with the stat level on the weapon. If it starts at 2 to all stats, the mana cost should probably be a bit less than 15 a swing. You have something like 70 mana to start with, 4 swings and a spell and you're dry, and that doesn't even kill a single demon on Godslayer. If you scaled the mana cost down by rank of the relic, it'd be a worthy contender as a golden weapon.
pH. mmSNAKE May 17, 2015 @ 9:59am 
Out of the 4 weapons this one ranks third for power and usefulness overall.

The spears are useful, for various amount of encounters. The extra stats are alright, but it isn't game changing like the Kris or the Talons. The mana cost is absurd at first, so it probably won't be much use early game in comparison to her other relics. It just depends what you feel stats give you. Having 60 int and 30+ everything else is pretty nice. Gives plenty of both spell and armor ruin and still packs a great whallop. But as far as being her optimal setup. I don't know about that.

The Golden Shell. Well I took great, great effort to compare this to other builds. In short just comparing it to Wyatt's other builds it doesn't compare. However it does not make it useless. More or less you can kill any normal enemy within a blink with it, the parry followed with a strike or so is usually enough. I put about 60-70% into agility, the rest into strength. I found armor ruin and crit chance to benefit it more than small increase in ATK, even with the heavy str attack scaling. A great deal of fights this will be applicable, but some you will suffer. Having force guard (and skipping templar, due to innate increase in armor and resist) is nothing to scoff at. Dreadnaut is great not only for increase of it's parry damage but also armor ruin and the other stats it provides. The overall issue with this is, even with the parry damage, and the heavy attack the damage is still lackluster when you compare to int builds, or other agility builds. If the parry damage was increased or just basic sword attacks were stronger (or better yet faster), the weapon would actually be more like the super weapon other gold ones are. Also good luck with final boss. It's air attacks are better, but parry for that fight is worthless.

Golden Talons. These are fairly insane. The attack rate on this weapon is quite crazy. The heavy attack charge is meh, but at least it travels and it guard breaks. Though innate armor ruin and bleed, coupled with fast attack speed make this one hell of a weapon.

Golden Kris. Most likely the highest DPS of them all, out of everything. Vladyn gets the best backstab multipliers, and this weapon also adds to that. Coupled with that magic can backstab, when this weapon is charged, those swords on the backstab deal absolutely absurd amount of damage. Int Vladyn with this for some absurd damage. It does require charging the weapon up though. Otherwise agl/str for physical damage.
Pudding May 17, 2015 @ 10:13am 
I.....after playing valdis for so long...have never really tried parrying....mainly because my reaction speed is ♥♥♥♥....or maybe i was more of a dodge person....but either way, i wanna ask, is parrying worth it? i might try to build my wyatt into a parry freak in my current run
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