This Vs Princess Maker 2

[Sminky]

I havn't played either, althouhg i belive Princess Maker 2 is now free abandonware.
The concept strangly apeals, i just wonderd how they compare?

Is one much better then the other?
Do they do different things?

Thanks.

[通讯录]

Yes.

[SYSTEM GLITCH]

Just posting because I am curious how PM2 compares.

[PratzStrike]

Princess Maker 2 in short is a better game. However, Long Live The Queen is an excellent game in its own right. Picking out what you want to do during a time period in both is very similar, but in PM2 you have to manage money, decide on where to go when adventuring, do fight actions, all that. In LLtQ all you have to do is make decisions and your stats and choices determine the outcome. It's like trying judge apples and pears - they're very similar, but they're two different things for two sets of people. If you liked PM2 this will not be the same thing, but sadly it's the closest we're going to get in the States for a while.

[SYSTEM GLITCH]

Thank you, I think I choose the right one between the two. Maybe in a few years Princess Maker 2 will be more suitable for my daughter. I like what I am hearing about it.

[Sminky]

Originally posted by Dogstar:

Princess Maker 2 in short is a better game. However, Long Live The Queen is an excellent game in its own right. Picking out what you want to do during a time period in both is very similar, but in PM2 you have to manage money, decide on where to go when adventuring, do fight actions, all that. In LLtQ all you have to do is make decisions and your stats and choices determine the outcome. It's like trying judge apples and pears - they're very similar, but they're two different things for two sets of people. If you liked PM2 this will not be the same thing, but sadly it's the closest we're going to get in the States for a while.

Thanks for the info, seeing as the are suitable diffrerent might as well try both.

[Zaltys]

The major difference is that there's many ways to 'win' in PM2.
While in this one you don't actually have much choice if you want to get to the end of the game. You will die the first time, and will keep dying until you figure out what skills are required to survive. So there's nowhere near as much variety, and I think that makes this worse than PM2. YMMV, of course.

[lugerluver]

In PM2, your character never dies horrific deaths. So in a way the former is more open-ended, unlike LLTQ which requires you to spread out your points to avoid the scripted events and various assasination attempts. LLTQ offers a different sort of gameplay, where the goal is to survive until adulthood

[Zaltys]

Yep. At times, LLTQ feels more like a puzzle game than anything similar to PM2. In the sense that you need to figure out a better order (or better way) to learn the required skills within a strict time limit.

If you're looking for games similar to PM2... Well, I can't actually think of any exact clones. Academagia could be worth a look, though that's not available on Steam. It's a wizard life sim, with numerous random events and adventures; and almost limitless ways to build up your character.

[cottonrhetoric]

Princess Maker 2 is brilliant and this copies everything about it except for the parts that make it work.

PM2 has you stat-build so as to affect your gameplay options. LLtQ has you stat-build so as to change your reading selections and notifications. I do not recommend LLtQ to fans of PM2 or to anyone else for that matter.

[Hanako]

Guys, I love Princess Maker 2 dearly, but this game is not a copy of Princess Maker 2 at all and if you try to play it like PM2 you won't have much fun. This is not a game about raising your daughter. I've written games that were far, far more like PM2 than this one is.

And no, there is not just one way to win and there are no required skills to complete the game. :) It's a combination of skills and choices. What skills you use might be skills that someone else never raises at all.

[petran79]

Princess Maker is a different game indeed. If you really want challenge though, play Princess Maker 5. Much more parameters and much longer game. The fanmade English translation is almost finished.

[DonLoquacious]

Also PM2 is not abandonware, nor is it free. Gainax still owns the rights to the game (as they should) and they have not released it into the public domain. If you find a website where you can download the game for free (or for money, unless can read Japanese and buy it from Gainax directly), you are stealing it. I'm not making moral judgments nor do I care one way or another if you download and play it, but this rumor that the game is free is just wrong. (The English translation is abandonware, so if you "play" the game by reading through the English text logs and not actually having any graphics, sounds, music, etc... then I guess you could "play" it legally, for free).

Also, as Hanako and many others here have stated previously on this forum, this game is not a PM2 clone. It happens to share two aspects with the PM series (1: it's a VN, and 2: it has stats that you can increase), but everything else about it is entirely different. Someone going into this expecting PM will be very upset indeed, but if you're looking for a "strategy VN" with death around every corner and survival being the primary objective, this game is amazing.

[Pixel Peeper]

It's easy to see how you'd want to make the comparison; raising sim, teenage girl royalty, VN presentation... with so many similarities and the way the human brain works, it's impossible not to. However, it would still be wrong.

In this game, you won't be randomly encountering slimes, equipping a weapon with stronger stat increases or beating up the same monster over and over and over again to find the Demon Dress. PM2 had the appearance of a raising sim and VN, but it played more like a raising sim mixed with a traditional JRPG and, for the most part, the player drove the story.

Long Live The Queen is more like a raising sim mixed with a visual novel. The story will force you through a lot (and I mean a *lot*) of non-random skill checks. You'll normally fail most of these simply because there's way too many skills to train, not to mention the fact that, at least at first, you have no idea which checks are going to be coming up. Unlike PM2, you don't get to wait until your stats are high enough before venturing into an adventure; things will be happening all the time and death is a very likely outcome. You have so much less control, which makes it all the more interesting and challenging.

But the fact that they are very different games doesn't mean you can't enjoy both. If you couldn't tell, I've played a *lot* of PM2 and PM2Refine, I enjoyed it a lot, and I'm enjoying this one as well.

One additional positive about this game is that, while it's very much story-driven, knowing the story doesn't necessarily make it any easier to progress through it. You might know someone's a traitor, but practically that doesn't do anything for you; you'll still need to train the princess properly if you want *her* to find out and avoid the consequences. I think the replay value might not be quite as limited as one might initially think.