AMD Radeon RX 570 8GB NOT WORK???

[sunnysunshine1309]

What a junk game it must be if you can't start it with an 8GB graphics card??????

[Cheeze Wizard]

Originally posted by ☥ - CJ -:

The differences between DX 12 and 12.1 would not solely stop a game from playing, DX12 is DX12 regardless

DX12 is DX12 and DX 12.1 is DX 12.1, just like the RT supporting DX12.2 is DX 12.2. APIs have both optional hardware features they support along with required ones. The required features for 12.1 were only introduced on AMD cards with the vega series which the 500 series pre-dates.

Originally posted by ☥ - CJ -:

People should really understand what minimum requirements actually means before attempting to use it as an excuse for something.

With that said
I think the issue might be elsewhere.

I have a GTX 1070 which IS a requirement and the demo wont even run for me, likely because of my CPU.

And before you try to blame his RX 570, look at when the GTX 1070 was released
https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1070-vs-AMD-RX-570/3609vs3924

Dont give technical advice if you dont know wtf you're talking about.

The 1070 is 60% more powerful and has more hardware features according to your link, along with supporting 12.1 and is only rated to play the game at 720p 30fps. Your link doesn't support your argument in the slightest. Not to mention that User Benchmark is a horrible site for comparing GPUs between AMD and Nvidia.

When the 1070 was released doesn't matter. It will still have driver support till 2026 and has the feature set required for the game. Where as the 570 fails in both of those categories while also being much much weaker than the minimum spec graphics cards.

[Cheeze Wizard]

Originally posted by ☥ - CJ -:

It appears from what i read on another thread that the game requires the AVX2 CPU Instruction set, which pretty much just screwed me getting the game.

11 year old desktop intel chips got AVX2 and so do 9 year old AMD chips.
You got a 12 year old CPU that is so old that intel won't even service it anymore for professional clients. That has half the cores and a third of the horsepower of a PS5 cpu that this game was designed to run on at 30fps. I am well aware that a lot of people are too busy struggling to pay rent to casually spend $500 on a new motherboard+ram+cpu combo, but to just run this game, 5 seconds of searching found me a motherboard plus cpu combo for a ryzen 1600x at $85 on ebay and you can get ddr4 ram new for $40 if all you need is 16GB. If that is too much for you, first of all you sure as hell can't afford to casually drop $50 on a new game and need to apply for government aid if you haven't already, but also dumpster diving behind a nearby e-waste facility could prolly get you a cpu good enough to run this game. My first gaming build had a budget of $250 back in 2016 and even that could rummage together a PC with AVX2 instruction support.

[[☥] - CJ -]

Its still a decent GPU, and the 570 is literally one year newer than the GTX 1070

With that said
As the game requires AVX2 i think the main issues will be with CPUs more than GPUs.
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And i recently upgraded to the 3770k from an i5 2500k, youd be surprised what just a couple extra threads and HT was able to do. Its still a good CPU, yes its old but its still very capable for the majority of games.

[Cheeze Wizard]

Originally posted by ☥ - CJ -:

Its still a decent GPU, and the 570 is literally one year newer than the GTX 1070

With that said
As the game requires AVX2 i think the main issues will be with CPUs more than GPUs.

Still you have no idea what you are talking about. Age doesn't matter. The 1070 is much faster than the 570 and has more hardware features. That is the difference between a $380 card and a $170 card. One year isn't nearly enough for performance to jump that massive gap in cost.

And no, most people aren't going to try and run a PS5 game on a PS4 level CPU that came out during the PS3 era. And the people who don't know any better are at the very least gonna know their pre-built from 2012 isn't gonna run a AAA game from 2024 and will buy a newer one that the rep claims will run the latest games, which the cpu probably will because you simply cannot buy a new cpu today that is weaker than a 1600.

[Nurion]

Originally posted by Karumati:

Originally posted by sunnysunshine1309:

This card is even included in the minimum requirements!

I am also within the CPU and RAM range.
The game is junk. A game that doesn't even start.
The developers should be ashamed of themselves!

You should be ashamed to still have 570 in your pc

Facts

[[☥] - CJ -]

Originally posted by Cheeze Wizard:

Originally posted by ☥ - CJ -:

Its still a decent GPU, and the 570 is literally one year newer than the GTX 1070

With that said
As the game requires AVX2 i think the main issues will be with CPUs more than GPUs.

Still you have no idea what you are talking about. Age doesn't matter. The 1070 is much faster than the 570 and has more hardware features. That is the difference between a $380 card and a $170 card. One year isn't nearly enough for performance to jump that massive gap in cost.

And no, most people aren't going to try and run a PS5 game on a PS4 level CPU that came out during the PS3 era. And the people who don't know any better are at the very least gonna know their pre-built from 2012 isn't gonna run a AAA game from 2024 and will buy a newer one that the rep claims will run the latest games, which the cpu probably will because you simply cannot buy a new cpu today that is weaker than a 1600.

I Know PLENTY of what i'm talking about
Yes the 1070 is better, but that doesnt mean the RX 570 is garbage and unable to play the game. Its still within the realm of the so called requirements.

Older CPUs can run games JUST FINE, its only in small cases that a required instruction set makes it impossible to run the game EVEN if the game would as a fact run perfectly fine.

Just because something is technologically old doesnt mean it sucks

[Cheeze Wizard]

Originally posted by ☥ - CJ -:

Originally posted by Cheeze Wizard:

Still you have no idea what you are talking about. Age doesn't matter. The 1070 is much faster than the 570 and has more hardware features. That is the difference between a $380 card and a $170 card. One year isn't nearly enough for performance to jump that massive gap in cost.

And no, most people aren't going to try and run a PS5 game on a PS4 level CPU that came out during the PS3 era. And the people who don't know any better are at the very least gonna know their pre-built from 2012 isn't gonna run a AAA game from 2024 and will buy a newer one that the rep claims will run the latest games, which the cpu probably will because you simply cannot buy a new cpu today that is weaker than a 1600.

I Know PLENTY of what i'm talking about
Yes the 1070 is better, but that doesnt mean the RX 570 is garbage and unable to play the game. Its still within the realm of the so called requirements.

Older CPUs can run games JUST FINE, its only in small cases that a required instruction set makes it impossible to run the game EVEN if the game would as a fact run perfectly fine.

Just because something is technologically old doesnt mean it sucks

The minimum requirement video cards are between 60% and twice as fast as the 570 and are ahead a supported directx version, along with still having driver support when new releases can often require up to date drivers. Objectively not within the realm of the requirements. Like, you can still say that all you want, but I can also say 1 + 1 = 3 and that still isn't gonna make it anymore true.

And no they can't. CPUs have made major strides since the first Ryzen gen released and there was finally competition in the market back in 2017. The incremental cpu generations were really only true from Skylake to the first Ryzen launch. The current gen consoles use the equivalent of an underclocked 2019 Ryzen 3700X, a cpu whose performance is two and a half times more than yours according to passmark.

Both minimum CPUs are also 6 cores and 12 threads while your only has 4 cores and 8 threads. Windows will restrict itself to a single core automatically, so if the game wants 5 cores worth of processes to work with, think about how much more strained the cpu would be if two or more of those processes needed to be ran on a single thread instead, specially if two performance critical threads like render and audio had to be stacked on one core. And yes, games nowadays, at least the bigger ones, will heavily multithread. That has been true for a while now, 8 cores is the current sweet spot for higher end gaming while 6 cores is the minimum budget option worth considering.

And of course this doesn't mean the 3770k sucks. It could run games of its time just fine, but FF16 isn't a 2012 release now is it. It was coded and designed to run on CPUs with more cores and much more performance than yours, even if the instruction set wasn't an issue (the potential work arounds for a AVX2 fallback would make it run worse but that is besides the point), you would be completely cpu bound at an unplayable frame rate with constant hitching and stuttering while moving on top of that.

[Silverhawk90]

Originally posted by ☥ - CJ -:

Originally posted by Cheeze Wizard:

Still you have no idea what you are talking about. Age doesn't matter. The 1070 is much faster than the 570 and has more hardware features. That is the difference between a $380 card and a $170 card. One year isn't nearly enough for performance to jump that massive gap in cost.

And no, most people aren't going to try and run a PS5 game on a PS4 level CPU that came out during the PS3 era. And the people who don't know any better are at the very least gonna know their pre-built from 2012 isn't gonna run a AAA game from 2024 and will buy a newer one that the rep claims will run the latest games, which the cpu probably will because you simply cannot buy a new cpu today that is weaker than a 1600.

I Know PLENTY of what i'm talking about
Yes the 1070 is better, but that doesnt mean the RX 570 is garbage and unable to play the game. Its still within the realm of the so called requirements.

Older CPUs can run games JUST FINE, its only in small cases that a required instruction set makes it impossible to run the game EVEN if the game would as a fact run perfectly fine.

Just because something is technologically old doesnt mean it sucks

The RX 570 and RX 580 are unable to play the game. They do not support the required DirectX 12_1 feature level.

[[☥] - CJ -]

If that in fact is an issue people are going to run into, i dont think the game is going to sell very well.

[Kriss Hietala]

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You don't have cpu with avx2? What kind of cpu you have? 10 years old ?

[Hexenhammer]

Originally posted by sunnysunshine1309:

What a junk game it must be if you can't start it with an 8GB graphics card??????

RX 570 is not a real GPU, its like one of those card we had during early PC days, just for 2D signal

[[☥] - CJ -]

Originally posted by Hexenhammer:

Originally posted by sunnysunshine1309:

What a junk game it must be if you can't start it with an 8GB graphics card??????

RX 570 is not a real GPU, its like one of those card we had during early PC days, just for 2D signal

You are a complete idiot if you actually believe that

[patrick68794]

You were expecting a game made specifically for a console with a GPU that's nearly two and a half times faster than yours to run without any issues?

[patrick68794]

Originally posted by sunnysunshine1309:

Originally posted by _Gustavo:

Its below minimum requeriments

This card is even included in the minimum requirements!

I am also within the CPU and RAM range.
The game is junk. A game that doesn't even start.
The developers should be ashamed of themselves!

No it isn't. The minimum AMD GPU listed is an RX 5700, not a 570. The RX 5700 is nearly twice as fast.

[Serah]

There is no Reason to get or still have a 12 Year old CPU, when you can get something like intel 10th gen for less then 100 Euro or a AMD equivalent. and get easily 100+% performance