Still Denuvo?

[De******k Storage]

I'd buy it if they'd get rid of this crap. When will these publishers learn?

[Moebius]

I hate DRM too but are there any published benchmarks that can be pointed to that show its a detriment to performance?

[De******k Storage]

Originally posted by Moebius:

I hate DRM too but are there any published benchmarks that can be pointed to that show its a detriment to performance?

There are. I haven't played any games with Denuvo since 2018 when I found out about it. I've probably saved thousands of dollars and hundreds of hours of my time not playing games. I don't know why they don't want my money.

[TotemMX]

Originally posted by Moebius:

I hate DRM too but are there any published benchmarks that can be pointed to that show its a detriment to performance?

You only will get youtube videos. TONS of videos.

There is blog from Maurice Heumann, DRM engineer, that did reverse engineer Denuvo and show the impact is around 1%. You can google it, is called "Bypassing Denuvo in Hogwarts Legacy".

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3395542824

[De******k Storage]

Originally posted by TotemMX:

Originally posted by Moebius:

I hate DRM too but are there any published benchmarks that can be pointed to that show its a detriment to performance?

You only will get youtube videos. TONS of videos.

There is blog from Maurice Heumann, DRM engineer, that did reverse engineer Denuvo and show the impact is around 1%. You can google it, is called "Bypassing Denuvo in Hogwarts Legacy".

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3395542824

It depends on the game. It's also just one aspect of why it's bad.

[iameatingjam]

I don't like denuvo of course, I'd much rather not have it. But what do you mean still? Square is pretty consistent of having it for only one term (6 months) then removing it. It hasn't been 6 months yet so naturally, it still has denuvo. If you refuse to play denuvo games ( dont blame you) you just gotta wait 6 months from release date. It hasnt been that long yet.

[De******k Storage]

Originally posted by iameatingjam:

I don't like denuvo of course, I'd much rather not have it. But what do you mean still? Square is pretty consistent of having it for only one term (6 months) then removing it. It hasn't been 6 months yet so naturally, it still has denuvo. If you refuse to play denuvo games ( dont blame you) you just gotta wait 6 months from release date. It hasnt been that long yet.

How are they gonna have a sale but not remove the Denuvo malware? This makes no sense to me. I guess they hate money.

[Krypto]

Game runs fine even with Denuvo.

[De******k Storage]

Originally posted by Krypto:

Game runs fine even with Denuvo.

Yeah but I don't like being treated as a criminal when I'm a paying customer. Sorry!

[Krypto]

Originally posted by De******k Storage:

Originally posted by Krypto:

Game runs fine even with Denuvo.

Yeah but I don't like being treated as a criminal when I'm a paying customer. Sorry!

Denuvo being in a game makes you feel like a criminal? Publishers are allowed to put DRM in their games, and besides, you're not buying the game, you're buying a license to access the software.

[iameatingjam]

I'm just glad square isn't one of those publishers that conveniently forgets to remove denuvo/keeps the contract going (really dont understand why you would pay for more than 6 months when even their cherry picked research shows after that point it makes no difference to sales). We know they'll remove it, we know when. It could be worse.

[De******k Storage]

Originally posted by iameatingjam:

I'm just glad square isn't one of those publishers that conveniently forgets to remove denuvo/keeps the contract going (really dont understand why you would pay for more than 6 months when even their cherry picked research shows after that point it makes no difference to sales). We know they'll remove it, we know when. It could be worse.

I have 3 games left in my library that still have Denuvo that I refuse to install anymore.

Mad Max: Game is completely Denuvo free on other platforms but still has it on Steam after 9 years.

Far Cry 5: Still has Denuvo after 6 years,

Total War Warhammer: Still has Denuvo after 8 years.

I do not buy games that have Denuvo. SEGA alone has missed out on a 4 figure amount of money from me. I don't know what is wrong with them. If I like a game I'll even buy it for other people. I have money. Why do they not want my money?

[Krypto]

Originally posted by De******k Storage:

Originally posted by iameatingjam:

I'm just glad square isn't one of those publishers that conveniently forgets to remove denuvo/keeps the contract going (really dont understand why you would pay for more than 6 months when even their cherry picked research shows after that point it makes no difference to sales). We know they'll remove it, we know when. It could be worse.

I have 3 games left in my library that still have Denuvo that I refuse to install anymore.

Mad Max: Game is completely Denuvo free on other platforms but still has it on Steam after 9 years.

Far Cry 5: Still has Denuvo after 6 years,

Total War Warhammer: Still has Denuvo after 8 years.

I do not buy games that have Denuvo. SEGA alone has missed out on a 4 figure amount of money from me. I don't know what is wrong with them. If I like a game I'll even buy it for other people. I have money. Why do they not want my money?

Psst... games you buy on Steam, you don't own.

[De******k Storage]

Originally posted by Krypto:

Originally posted by De******k Storage:

I have 3 games left in my library that still have Denuvo that I refuse to install anymore.

Mad Max: Game is completely Denuvo free on other platforms but still has it on Steam after 9 years.

Far Cry 5: Still has Denuvo after 6 years,

Total War Warhammer: Still has Denuvo after 8 years.

I do not buy games that have Denuvo. SEGA alone has missed out on a 4 figure amount of money from me. I don't know what is wrong with them. If I like a game I'll even buy it for other people. I have money. Why do they not want my money?

Psst... games you buy on Steam, you don't own.

When did I say that? I know how software licensing works.

[Krypto]

Originally posted by De******k Storage:

Originally posted by Krypto:

Psst... games you buy on Steam, you don't own.

When did I say that? I know how software licensing works.

Okay, so why complain then? If you know how it works, what result do you think complaining is going to get you?

[De******k Storage]

Originally posted by Krypto:

Originally posted by De******k Storage:

When did I say that? I know how software licensing works.

Okay, so why complain then? If you know how it works, what result do you think complaining is going to get you?

The squeaky wheel gets the grease. I am letting it be known that I am not purchasing A LICENSE FOR SOFTWARE if that software comes with Denuvo. You're just making a semantic argument. The situation remains the same.