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The older Final Fantasy games have always been a lot better than the new ones!
The older Final Fantasy games have always been a lot better than the new ones!
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Ursprünglich geschrieben von Dixon Sider:
Ursprünglich geschrieben von iameatingjam:
Yeah a lot of people were saying that when ff6 and ff7 came out...
No they werent lol. Show some proof. Everyone in real life was praising FF7

Well if memory serves ff6 was more the problem because it was the first game to go sci fi-ish. Yeah it might be considered a masterpiece today, and some people thought so back then too, but the fanbase was divided then too. And it aint exactly easy to find reviews from early 90s. The internet was too young. Reviews were either in magazines or possibly in bulletin boards. IDK. Maybe I could find something if I tried really hard. But I don't really feel like trying that hard.
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Ursprünglich geschrieben von iameatingjam:
Ursprünglich geschrieben von Dixon Sider:
No they werent lol. Show some proof. Everyone in real life was praising FF7

Well if memory serves ff6 was more the problem because it was the first game to go sci fi-ish. Yeah it might be considered a masterpiece today, and some people thought so back then too, but the fanbase was divided then too. And it aint exactly easy to find reviews from early 90s. The internet was too young. Reviews were either in magazines or possibly in bulletin boards. IDK. Maybe I could find something if I tried really hard. But I don't really feel like trying that hard.
FF6 released the same time as PS1 so that game went largely unnoticed. That game was unpopular in America but it had absolutely nothing to do with the setting or the gameplay. People werent paying any attention to SNES back when it released, and FF had VERY little popularity at all before FF7.

Also FF1 was mostly steampunk after the halfway point. Flying ships, submarines, floating cities in the clouds with teleportation. The secret raid boss was even a mech. And FF6 also had tons of fantasy settings. No more steampunk than 1-5

Aint no one ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ about Squaresoft selling out on FF6 or FF7. That didnt become a thing until FF13. Even FF12 was loved by FF fans. Anyone eho claims otherwise is feeding a load of BS.
Zuletzt bearbeitet von Dixon Sider; 28. Dez. 2024 um 21:21
Fripposo 28. Dez. 2024 um 21:34 
Ursprünglich geschrieben von Krypto:
This is the most "Final Fantasy" Final Fantasy game since FF6.
lol what THE actual ♥♥♥♥ man?
Krypto 28. Dez. 2024 um 21:35 
Ursprünglich geschrieben von Fripposo:
Ursprünglich geschrieben von Krypto:
This is the most "Final Fantasy" Final Fantasy game since FF6.
lol what THE actual ♥♥♥♥ man?

What? Did I say something odd?
Fripposo 28. Dez. 2024 um 21:36 
Ursprünglich geschrieben von Krypto:
Ursprünglich geschrieben von Fripposo:
lol what THE actual ♥♥♥♥ man?

What? Did I say something odd?
u know u diiiiid u silly buoy
Ursprünglich geschrieben von Fripposo:
Ursprünglich geschrieben von Krypto:
This is the most "Final Fantasy" Final Fantasy game since FF6.
lol what THE actual ♥♥♥♥ man?
Squaresoft/SE has said that FF11 was the closest Final Fantasy has ever got to their original idea.
Krypto 28. Dez. 2024 um 21:38 
Ursprünglich geschrieben von Fripposo:
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What? Did I say something odd?
u know u diiiiid u silly buoy

Nope. Perhaps you don't remember what FF was built on besides turn based combat originally.
Ursprünglich geschrieben von Dixon Sider:
Ursprünglich geschrieben von iameatingjam:

Well if memory serves ff6 was more the problem because it was the first game to go sci fi-ish. Yeah it might be considered a masterpiece today, and some people thought so back then too, but the fanbase was divided then too. And it aint exactly easy to find reviews from early 90s. The internet was too young. Reviews were either in magazines or possibly in bulletin boards. IDK. Maybe I could find something if I tried really hard. But I don't really feel like trying that hard.
FF6 released the same time as PS1 so that game went largely unnoticed. That game was unpopular in America but it had absolutely nothing to do with the setting or the gameplay. People werent paying any attention to SNES back when it released, and FF had VERY little popularity at all before FF7.

Also FF1 was mostly steampunk after the halfway point. Flying ships, submarines, floating cities in the clouds with teleportation. The secret raid boss was even a mech. And FF6 also had tons of fantasy settings. No more steampunk than 1-5

Aint no one ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ about Squaresoft selling out on FF6 or FF7. That didnt become a thing until FF13. Even FF12 was loved by FF fans. Anyone eho claims otherwise is feeding a load of BS.

FF7 may have been more popular, but ff6 was the first game to stray from the fantasy theme which is why I included it in the conversation, also it released in the first half of 1994, there's plenty of time between that and 1997. And if you happened to miss it, well then, you'll experience the same change in direction in ff7... And I included them both in my original comment so I don't really get what you're trying to prove by saying it didn't sell well in the west. Who cares where it sold well, people in japan have opinions too, did you know?

I tried looking on metacritic to see if maybe they imported some old critic reviews but no, snes is nowhere to be seen and I'm not hunting down magazine scans, I can't look at a port because that runs the risk of introducing nostalgia bias.... which it definitely would if I were to look at gba version or something.

So, I'm just telling you, because I was alive at the time, there was a part of the fanbase that was unhappy with direction ff6 and ff7 took and it was debated in the same way turn based vs action rpg is discussed today. Final Fantasy has never stood still. Is it a strength? Is is it weaknesses? IDK. Its just a fact.

Oh and btw if you're looking for a bad ff game, you ever played 2? like the original 2, on nes? Its pretty bad game. Rereleases tried to improve it, but the original one, did not do well at all in the press. While the industrial ff6 and ff7 were mostly popular, with a bit of backlash from some fans, ff2 was really a dumpster fire. Which is why I find it hard to swallow absolute statements like this:

The older Final Fantasy games have always been a lot better than the new ones!"

Not everybody HATED IT. But its not often you will find people say their favourite ff is 2.
Zuletzt bearbeitet von iameatingjam; 28. Dez. 2024 um 22:56
Ursprünglich geschrieben von iameatingjam:
So, I'm just telling you, because I was alive at the time, there was a part of the fanbase that was unhappy with direction ff6 and ff7 took
Sure there were probably a couple of people you could find on the internet. You can find people ppl on the internet who truly believe the earth is flat.

You are comparing apples to oranges. How many people who played 1 4 and/or 6 were upset with the direction? Insanely small amounts.

How many people who played 1 4 6 7 8 9 and/or 10 who were upset with 16s direction? A staggering amount. They are disrespecting the name of this franchise by using it to push this turd.

Why name this FF16 if it is so far removed from all the good FF games? Why drag the name into tge mud? Because its easy money from suckers like me. People remembwr this series so fondly that we want it to be good so badly that we will even buy a turd just in case it is good.
Zuletzt bearbeitet von Dixon Sider; 28. Dez. 2024 um 23:11
Ursprünglich geschrieben von Dixon Sider:
Ursprünglich geschrieben von iameatingjam:
So, I'm just telling you, because I was alive at the time, there was a part of the fanbase that was unhappy with direction ff6 and ff7 took
Sure there were probably a couple of people you could find on the internet. You can find people ppl on the internet who truly believe the earth is flat.

You are comparing apples to oranges. How many people who played 1 4 and/or 6 were upset with the direction? Insanely small amounts.

How many people who played 1 4 6 7 8 9 and/or 10 who were upset with 16s direction? A staggering amount. They are disrespecting the name of this franchise by using it to push this turd.

Why name this FF16 if it is so far removed from all the good FF games? Why drag the name into tge mud? Because its easy money from suckers like me. People remembwr this series so fondly that we want it to be good so badly that we will even buy a turd just in case.

How do you know? You realize how different things were before the widespread adoption of the internet don't you? And if you're an american, there was also a lot more of a stable political environment. Infact that could be said of lots of countries. And that goes kind of hand and hand with all the information silos people find themselves in these days..... And these information silos can get you pretty angry.

None of that existed in 1994. FF16 got great reviews on the surface too. The only thing is, in 1994, it wasn't so easy to look beneath the surface like it is today.

A lot of people did not like sci direction of ff6 and ff7. Not a majority. Just like the majority of ff16 reviews are positive, but a significant amount. I remember being nearly as sick of hearing about it as I am of hearing about some of the stupid complaints levied against recent games.
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Ursprünglich geschrieben von iameatingjam:
A lot of people did not like sci direction of ff6 and ff7
This seriously makes me doubt you were alive back then. I call BS. Prove me wrong. Show me a lot. I never heard that one single time in the past 28 years.
Ursprünglich geschrieben von iameatingjam:
None of that existed in 1994. FF16 got great reviews on the surface too. The only thing is, in 1994, it wasn't so easy to look beneath the surface like it is today.
I also doubt this. Where are the people who like FF16? Do I need to start befriending 14 year olds to find them? Why is literally everything I hear about the game negative? How many adults do you know who legit enjoy FF16?
Zuletzt bearbeitet von Dixon Sider; 28. Dez. 2024 um 23:24
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Ursprünglich geschrieben von iameatingjam:
A lot of people did not like sci direction of ff6 and ff7
This seriously makes me doubt you were alive back then. I call BS. Prove me wrong. Show me a lot. I never heard that one single time in the past 28 years.

You're asking for modern bad reviews? Uh, thats not hard. Just go to steam or metacritic and filter.
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Ursprünglich geschrieben von Dixon Sider:
This seriously makes me doubt you were alive back then. I call BS. Prove me wrong. Show me a lot. I never heard that one single time in the past 28 years.

You're asking for modern bad reviews? Uh, thats not hard. Just go to steam or metacritic and filter.
Ok cool, get that ♥♥♥♥ out of here then lol. No way in hell were "people" complaining about the direction of FF in the 90s. People were extatic over them. The complaints didnt start until FF13.
Zuletzt bearbeitet von Dixon Sider; 28. Dez. 2024 um 23:31
Ursprünglich geschrieben von Dixon Sider:
Ursprünglich geschrieben von iameatingjam:

You're asking for modern bad reviews? Uh, thats not hard. Just go to steam or metacritic and filter.
Ok cool, get that ♥♥♥♥ out of here then lol. No way in hell were "people" complaining about the direction of FF in the 90s. People were extatic over them. The complainrs didnt start until FF13.

Yes, because people all have the same opinion....?


I don't know what you want from me. I'm not going through old magazine clippings sorry, I mean I guess thats my bad for not having the evidence but this was coming to me word of mouth and sorry I just really don't have the motivation to go hunting down bad reviews for games that I like from old pdfs that may or not not exist on some archival site somewhere.

My point is just that pushback has always existed because ff changes direction so often. Its an ever evolving beast and naturally, no change can please everybody.

FF16 gets good reviews, critic reviews and user reviews. Yet lots of people don't like it. I'm afraid to say its always been like that.

We as humans just have a tendency to romanticize the past. So over time ( especially the longer we stay away from something) the more we forget the negative characterists/coverage/whatever. Rosy retrospection, nostalgia, whatever you want to call it, it is a thing humans do.
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