FINAL FANTASY XVI

FINAL FANTASY XVI

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kiteless 凧無し 2024 年 9 月 22 日 上午 3:23
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FF16 is a flop
Let me present evidence

The game has a concurrent peak of 25,800
https://steamdb.info/app/2515020/charts/

That's less than Nier replicant, which is basically a remaster of a PS3 game
https://steamdb.info/app/1113560/charts/

That's also less than 3 turned base RPGs, like a dragon infinite wealth, person 5 royal and persona 3 reload, despite people saying 'turn based is dead', I can find 3 example where turned based games destroyed this and there are probably others

https://steamdb.info/app/2072450/charts/
https://steamdb.info/app/1687950/charts/
https://steamdb.info/app/2161700/charts/

And now finally before anyone says, well everyone bought it on PS5 and that's why the figures on PC are low, let me present you this

This game couldn't even beat it's 6 year old prequel FF15, which was also console first and released to a smaller PC market than today

https://steamdb.info/app/637650/charts/

if that doesn't say flop, I don't know what else I can say
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Ray 2024 年 9 月 22 日 上午 9:01 
What's with the random hate against this game? I don't get it.
Al_Paka 2024 年 9 月 22 日 上午 9:02 
引用自 kiteless 凧無し
Let me present evidence

blablabla trollotrollotrolloooo...nonsens blablabla

Always these troll threads that make no sense
Stupendous Man 2024 年 9 月 22 日 上午 9:04 
引用自 Ice-Nine
引用自 kiteless 凧無し
I've presented evidence and logic, not excuses
Yes, you've successfully convinced me that peak concurrent players is not a good measure of game quality.

PC player count for Final Fantasy is not a good count of it being successful either. For the longest time it was mostly console exclusive with maybe a port to PC if we were lucky, like FF8.

It just isn't a game with a massive PC following.
Tomtei 2024 年 9 月 22 日 上午 9:10 
Okay, now let me have fun by playing this awesome game :steamthumbsup:
redk 2024 年 9 月 22 日 上午 9:17 
Caring about peak concurrent players is peak 2024. But it's especially peak 2024 for single player games where literally you could be the only person in the entire world playing, and it would make absolutely no difference whatsoever.

Today's gamers don't game, they whine on forums.

引用自 Ray
What's with the random hate against this game? I don't get it.

Bored people who's mom didn't give them enough "game money" for them to have something to play.
最后由 redk 编辑于; 2024 年 9 月 22 日 上午 9:18
C1REX 2024 年 9 月 22 日 上午 9:21 
引用自 kiteless 凧無し
Let me present evidence
You are right about the disappointing numbers that probably reflect sales as well (to some extent). However, I don't understand why you are being so combative and trying to sound victorious. You are not sharing good news.

I personally really enjoy the game and potentialy bad sales don't make me happier.
CH13F 2024 年 9 月 22 日 上午 9:36 
peak numbers aint important. average is much more important. there re many games with lull months between expansion, practically ghosttowns and all of a sudden tens of thousands appear.

again, there re some old games out there with good numbers indeed. but those numbers dont represent any thing because it doesnt mean the people whom originally bought at release still around. on the other hand a new generation of gamers whom been toddlers back at release might be trying that specific game now. regardless they might like or not.

and again if the case is singleplayer, there s no advantage/disadvantage for you to bother with player numbers since they wont join your game. again it shouldnt bother you if you not gonna purchase the game.
but if you bothered to justify your purchase with good sales and playerbase numbers then thats only on you. that means you dont play/purchase to satisfy yourself first to start with.

this all like whos ♥♥♥♥ longer contest but difference is noone s the owner of said ♥♥♥♥♥. but cheering for the ♥♥♥♥♥.
最后由 CH13F 编辑于; 2024 年 9 月 22 日 上午 9:47
Steve 2024 年 9 月 22 日 上午 9:39 
引用自 kiteless 凧無し
Let me present evidence
Okay. Let's see what you got.

引用自 kiteless 凧無し
The game has a concurrent peak of 25,800
https://steamdb.info/app/2515020/charts/
Not too bad for a single-player rerelease, not enough to be a blockbuster by any means but certainly far from Concord territory.

引用自 kiteless 凧無し
That's less than Nier replicant, which is basically a remaster of a PS3 game
https://steamdb.info/app/1113560/charts/
2B or not 2B. That is the question here. This game doesn't have 2B in it.

引用自 kiteless 凧無し
That's also less than 3 turned base RPGs, like a dragon infinite wealth, person 5 royal and persona 3 reload, despite people saying 'turn based is dead', I can find 3 example where turned based games destroyed this and there are probably others

https://steamdb.info/app/2072450/charts/
https://steamdb.info/app/1687950/charts/
https://steamdb.info/app/2161700/charts/
Your cites are a wildly popular dark comedy franchise in Yakuza, and two of the most popular entries in the also-wildly-popular Persona series -- on top of being turn-based. My friend, those are two completely different genres. You might as well be comparing fighting games here too. Or CoD. XD

引用自 kiteless 凧無し
And now finally before anyone says, well everyone bought it on PS5 and that's why the figures on PC are low, let me present you this

This game couldn't even beat it's 6 year old prequel FF15, which was also console first and released to a smaller PC market than today

https://steamdb.info/app/637650/charts/
...except these numbers are comparable? I mean, game's only been out a few days and as of this posting, it's climbed to a little over 27,000 concurrent.
引用自 kiteless 凧無し
if that doesn't say flop, I don't know what else I can say
It doesn't, so I guess your next step is to redefine the term "flop".

As I understand the term, it applies to things like Concord and Gollum.
NobleFeret 2024 年 9 月 22 日 上午 9:43 
引用自 kiteless 凧無し
Let me present evidence

The game has a concurrent peak of 25,800
https://steamdb.info/app/2515020/charts/

That's less than Nier replicant, which is basically a remaster of a PS3 game
https://steamdb.info/app/1113560/charts/

That's also less than 3 turned base RPGs, like a dragon infinite wealth, person 5 royal and persona 3 reload, despite people saying 'turn based is dead', I can find 3 example where turned based games destroyed this and there are probably others

https://steamdb.info/app/2072450/charts/
https://steamdb.info/app/1687950/charts/
https://steamdb.info/app/2161700/charts/

And now finally before anyone says, well everyone bought it on PS5 and that's why the figures on PC are low, let me present you this

This game couldn't even beat it's 6 year old prequel FF15, which was also console first and released to a smaller PC market than today

https://steamdb.info/app/637650/charts/

if that doesn't say flop, I don't know what else I can say
Dude have a steam profile full of pictures of under age girls in suggestive poses. This profile should be locked and you should consult a therapist.
Albeey 2024 年 9 月 22 日 上午 9:46 
Hey now, it's unfair to place the blame of low sales solely on the game itself.

SE 's reputation lately has been low from the steaming pile of a game called Outriders to a dogcrap FF game called Stranger of Paradise to an unspeakable horror called Forspoken.

Couple that with SE's reputation of bad optimization on PC since Nier Automata, I'm convinced that us PC players are not a priority audience by Square Enix.

Personally I appreciate the risks the devs are taking, both in themes and gameplay, and it's as if they're acknowledging that their fanbase from the older Final Fantasy games have matured and grown older. I don't want the series to get stuck on the same formula *cough* Pokie"mon *cough*.
Nyx 2024 年 9 月 22 日 上午 9:49 
Turn based is dead
Let me present evidence
The Final Fantasy Pixel Remaster collection has a concurrent peak of [small number that I'm not gonna look up for this].
And now finally before anyone says, well, those are old games, let me present you this
That collection couldn't even beat FFXV which was also an old game, or even Nier Replicant which was a port of a PS3 game
It also has less players than Dota and CS2
Take that L, turn based games
Moon "nd Roses 2024 年 9 月 22 日 上午 9:51 
The game isn't that bad but it need big change for the next FF's.
If they keep the Action RPG do it fully, specialy with the combo system, why dev don't look at DMC gameplay, cause clearly it will be way better if they do like this.
The dialogue and secondary quest need to be better and more fluid, to much cut, take exemple of God of War.
and much more, the game seem outdated on some point like thoses i mention.
kiteless 凧無し 2024 年 9 月 22 日 上午 10:02 
引用自 P1
引用自 kiteless 凧無し

We comparing expensive AAA games to niche low budget titles are we?

Or are you just trying to be witty?
He got you. But you brought it on yourself for making this pointless thread about a game you don't own to convince people that do own it and like it the games bad.

I finished the game on the PS5, I didn't even pay for it, borrowed a copy

The game was so boring I just started skipping all the side content, finished it in about 27 hours

To say I absolutely hated the game is an understatement. it's like they decided to rip off games of thrones years after it was still relevant

I'm just being brutally honest, this isn't final fantasy and I can see why it failed to resonate with gamers and why the player count is so depressingly low.
最后由 kiteless 凧無し 编辑于; 2024 年 9 月 22 日 上午 10:05
Shinra92 2024 年 9 月 22 日 上午 10:13 
i agree with the op. most of the hate on this thread is from fanboys. there is something off about this game. im 32 and i just about hate all video games i buy these days and ff16 isnt helping
Third Party Central 2024 年 9 月 22 日 上午 10:16 
Although I hope it'll pick up at some point (I already got it atleast) but the difference between this and Concord is that FF16 already existed for more than a year and like 2-3 months at that point, plenty of people have either played it on PS5 (myself included, PS5 plays much worse for me)

people will pick it up over time while it's on sale for example, but this game just had the issue of releasing on PS5 first for over a year and at that point every momentum that this game could've had is gone, if this game released multi platform day 1 it would've been different.

but there's an additional cost that I don't hear many say, it has Denuvo, AKA they have a license to use that which also costs a lot. (and definitely makes the game run worse)
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