FF16 is a flop

[kiteless 凧無し]

Let me present evidence

The game has a concurrent peak of 25,800
https://steamdb.info/app/2515020/charts/

That's less than Nier replicant, which is basically a remaster of a PS3 game
https://steamdb.info/app/1113560/charts/

That's also less than 3 turned base RPGs, like a dragon infinite wealth, person 5 royal and persona 3 reload, despite people saying 'turn based is dead', I can find 3 example where turned based games destroyed this and there are probably others

https://steamdb.info/app/2072450/charts/
https://steamdb.info/app/1687950/charts/
https://steamdb.info/app/2161700/charts/

And now finally before anyone says, well everyone bought it on PS5 and that's why the figures on PC are low, let me present you this

This game couldn't even beat it's 6 year old prequel FF15, which was also console first and released to a smaller PC market than today

https://steamdb.info/app/637650/charts/

if that doesn't say flop, I don't know what else I can say

[Ice-Nine]

What's the peak concurrent player count for all the hentai games in your library?

[kiteless 凧無し]

Nguyên văn bởi Ice-Nine:

What's the peak concurrent player count for all the hentai games in your library?

We comparing expensive AAA games to niche low budget titles are we?

Or are you just trying to be witty?

[Ice-Nine]

Nguyên văn bởi kiteless 凧無し:

We comparing expensive AAA games to niche low budget titles are we?

Makes as much sense as randomly and arbitrary picking "peak concurrent players" as a measure of quality or success.

[CH13F]

Nguyên văn bởi kiteless 凧無し:

Nguyên văn bởi Ice-Nine:

What's the peak concurrent player count for all the hentai games in your library?

We comparing expensive AAA games to niche low budget titles are we?

Or are you just trying to be witty?

yes 39 bucks is expensive, you still dont get its different for every account.

which price we ll base our discussion on? yours or everybody else's?

[kiteless 凧無し]

Nguyên văn bởi CH13F:

Nguyên văn bởi kiteless 凧無し:

We comparing expensive AAA games to niche low budget titles are we?

Or are you just trying to be witty?

yes 39 bucks is expensive, you still dont get its different for every account.

When I say expensive, I'm talking about how much the game cost to make. FF16 was an extremely expensive game to make

But nobody is arguing my evidence, all I've got is 'concurrent player count' doesn't mean anything when it obviously does whilst trying to be funny

Or do you guys want to pretend the less than 700 player concurrent player count for Concord meant nothing also?

It's a well known fact that the majority of a game's sales are at launch, so a bad concurrent player count show's it hasn't sold well

[Ice-Nine]

Nguyên văn bởi kiteless 凧無し:

But nobody is arguing my evidence, all I've got is 'concurrent player count' doesn't mean anything when it obviously does

It obviously does? According to whom? What does it mean?

The highest-rated game in all of Steam history is Portal 2. It only ever had ~15k peak concurrent players.

I guess FFXVI is better than the best game on Steam! That means FFXVI is the best!

[TyresTyco]

Since this isnt some online game and I'm not working for SE .. why should I care if this flopped or not ?

SE could go bankrupt and go in flames with the franchise and my shoulders wouldnt even shrug.

We all know that SE doesnt do well so whats the point of this thread ? Want an echo chamber praising you for being captain obvious or do you just want to vent your frustrations that one of your dear favourite franchises might as well belong to the garbage can because it turned into irrelevance now ?

[kiteless 凧無し]

Nguyên văn bởi Ice-Nine:

Nguyên văn bởi kiteless 凧無し:

But nobody is arguing my evidence, all I've got is 'concurrent player count' doesn't mean anything when it obviously does

It obviously does? According to whom? What does it mean?

The highest-rated game in all of Steam history is Portal 2. It only ever had ~15k peak concurrent players.

I guess FFXVI is better than the best game on Steam! That means FFXVI is the best!

Portal 2 is extremely old, the PC market has grown substantially since it's release.

in 2011 there was 3.45 million concurrent steam users, in 2024 there has been over 34 million concurrent users

That's like 10 times more steam accounts

Like I said with FF15 released to a smaller market which makes FF16 sales even more terrible. Steam is growing every year

Nguyên văn bởi TyresTyco:

Since this isnt some online game and I'm not working for SE .. why should I care if this flopped or not ?

SE could go bankrupt and go in flames with the franchise and my shoulders wouldnt even shrug.

We all know that SE doesnt do well so whats the point of this thread ? Want an echo chamber praising you for being captain obvious or do you just want to vent your frustrations that one of your dear favourite franchises might as well belong to the garbage can because it turned into irrelevance now ?

The point of this thread?

Simply showing figures that the game has flopped, clearly the direction of FF16 is not what gamers want, things need to change

[Ice-Nine]

Nguyên văn bởi kiteless 凧無し:

in 2011 there was 3.45 million concurrent steam users, in 2024 there has been over 34 million concurrent users

That's like 10 times more steam accounts

Portal 2 didn't stop existing in 2011. It's still on Steam in 2024. Where are the 10 times more concurrent players?

[kiteless 凧無し]

Nguyên văn bởi Ice-Nine:

Nguyên văn bởi kiteless 凧無し:

in 2011 there was 3.45 million concurrent steam users, in 2024 there has been over 34 million concurrent users

That's like 10 times more steam accounts

Portal 2 didn't stop existing in 2011. It's still on Steam in 2024. Where are the 10 times more concurrent players?

It's an old game and a short one, most people played it years ago, people gravitate towards new games, especially if they're single player

Once again, this is real common sense stuff

you won't find many 10+ year old single players games on steam with 25k+ concurrent player counts, if any, especially if they are short games

[Ice-Nine]

Nguyên văn bởi kiteless 凧無し:

Nguyên văn bởi Ice-Nine:

Portal 2 didn't stop existing in 2011. It's still on Steam in 2024. Where are the 10 times more concurrent players?

It's an old game and a short one, most people played it years ago, people gravitate towards new games, especially if they're single player

Once again, this is real common sense stuff

you won't find many 10+ year old single players games on steam with 25k+ concurrent player counts, if any, especially if they are short games

It seems as if you're happy to provide a million excuses for why "peak concurrent player count" is not actually a good measure of success or quality.

[TyresTyco]

Nguyên văn bởi kiteless 凧無し:

The point of this thread?

Simply showing figures that the game has flopped, clearly the direction of FF16 is not what gamers want, things need to change

Since when do companies listen to "what players" want? They do listen to "what the CEO" wants. Regardless if their decision makes more money or not.

Games made and published by SE flop left and right.. and turn based games do not pull the numbers SE wants. Thats why they keep trying to reimagine the franchise.

inb4 you mention persona ... Yes I know persona 5 was a big hit but thats just an anomaly, knowing SE these numbers persona pulled wouldnt even be enough to satisfy that greedy piece of garbage.

It's not like I wouldn't take some great turn based game.. personally I love persona 4 and 5 a lot but I'm also realistic. SE will never change.. they will go down in flames before they will go back to the roots. Which seems to be what you want I suppose?

[kiteless 凧無し]

Nguyên văn bởi Ice-Nine:

Nguyên văn bởi kiteless 凧無し:

It's an old game and a short one, most people played it years ago, people gravitate towards new games, especially if they're single player

Once again, this is real common sense stuff

you won't find many 10+ year old single players games on steam with 25k+ concurrent player counts, if any, especially if they are short games

It seems as if you're happy to provide a million excuses for why "peak concurrent player count" is not actually a good measure of success or quality.

I've presented evidence and logic applied with common sense, not excuses

you've presented nothing

If you think this game was a huge success, knock yourself out. But when Square themselves already said that they weren't happy with the PS5 sales, it's kinda not surprising the PC version also failed to deliver

[Ice-Nine]

Nguyên văn bởi kiteless 凧無し:

I've presented evidence and logic, not excuses

Yes, you've successfully convinced me that peak concurrent players is not a good measure of game quality.

[kiteless 凧無し]

Nguyên văn bởi Ice-Nine:

Nguyên văn bởi kiteless 凧無し:

I've presented evidence and logic, not excuses

Yes, you've successfully convinced me that peak concurrent players is not a good measure of game quality.

Like I said, the evidence is there, it's painfully obvious this game is a flop and this franchise is clearly in a massive decline

But one thing you can't ignore, is when Square themselves say they weren't happy with the sales, that's kinda impossible to ignore

evidence btw

https://www.reddit.com/r/PS5/comments/1fjs3f1/square_enix_admits_final_fantasy_16_and_7_rebirth/

Anyway, I've said what I have to say, whether you want to believe it or not, is up to you guys

As a FF fan, I'm sad to see what's become of this franchise, FF16 is not Final Fantasy and it's clearly been rejected by the players