The AI companions are kind of boring?

[Daddy Kaneki]

I wasn't expecting the companion AI to be as fully fledged as Tales or Shining Resonance, especially seeing as they don't even have health bars, but does anyone else feel like they're a little underwhelming? They just watch most of the time.

Sometimes they use some cool move or buff Clive but they rarely do much else, and I can't help but feel like it's a missed opportunity.

This may change, as I am not that deep in the story yet (Jill just woke up) but does anyone else feel like the AI buddies are mostly "just for show"?

[Admod, the Equivocal]

Even comparing FF16 to FF15, the companions are better in FF15. At least give us some prompts every now and then to combo with an ally or do something cool with them against an enemy. How about a double limit break attack with one or the dog asks for a prompt to do something instead of you all ways having to be the person to start it first.
I really liked how FF15 did ally attacks every now and then.

[Tr0w]

I like the characters, for me the most boring thing about the game is the combat system. Normal attacks, charged attacks, and skills are pretty much useless as they only do chip damage at best and most enemies are sponges, the only things worth using are Eikon abilities and they're all on cooldowns. Look up builds and all anyone raves about are Odin builds with no mobility or counters and suck against enemies in the air, then if you want run anything that addresses those weaknesses you end up with ♥♥♥♥♥♥ damage against enemies once they're stunned.

And people mock Witcher 3's combat lol, at least combat in Witcher 3 didn't feel like trying cut down a redwood with a tablespoon. Every fight feels like a battle of attrition.

[Deathwing1306]

The AI in this game is in general very... cheap ? It's very Skyrim like, it's like the Skyrim NPC memes lol. Which is a bit disappointing, but I don't really mind, pretty much only the side quests are like this, most of the main quests have their cutscenes.

[Hosenbund]

引用自 Tr0w：

I like the characters, for me the most boring thing about the game is the combat system. Normal attacks, charged attacks, and skills are pretty much useless as they only do chip damage at best and most enemies are sponges, the only things worth using are abilities and they're all on cooldowns. Look up builds and all anyone raves about are Odin builds with no mobility or counters and suck against enemies in the air, then if you want run anything that addresses those weaknesses you end up with ♥♥♥♥♥♥ damage against enemies once they're stunned.

And people mock Witcher 3's combat lol, at least combat in Witcher 3 didn't feel like trying cut down a redwood with a tablespoon.

thats because the witcher 3 combat is absolutely awful... ff16 combat is a materpiece in comparison. you can easily break the witcher 3 combat system completely

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ak6SXL1On9I

dont think i need to add anything to that

[Tr0w]

引用自 Hosenbund：

引用自 Tr0w：

I like the characters, for me the most boring thing about the game is the combat system. Normal attacks, charged attacks, and skills are pretty much useless as they only do chip damage at best and most enemies are sponges, the only things worth using are abilities and they're all on cooldowns. Look up builds and all anyone raves about are Odin builds with no mobility or counters and suck against enemies in the air, then if you want run anything that addresses those weaknesses you end up with ♥♥♥♥♥♥ damage against enemies once they're stunned.

And people mock Witcher 3's combat lol, at least combat in Witcher 3 didn't feel like trying cut down a redwood with a tablespoon.

thats because the witcher 3 combat is absolutely awful... ff16 combat is a materpiece in comparison. you can easily break the witcher 3 combat system completely

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ak6SXL1On9I

dont think i need to add anything to that

"Masterpiece" Lmfao, sure if boring af battles of attrition are your thing. Nothing in that video makes me think this game's combat is any better. If your regular attacks, charged attacks, and skills might as well not exist then your combat system is abysmal.
Even that vid 16 fans love to share of the combat creator vs that bounty boss sucks, where he ends up just countering until stagger and then does nothing but chip damage, and the fight ends up taking an eternity to finish.

[MancSoulja]

引用自 Metro：

They are, I don't even use dog commands.

Dog is great for starting or extending combos.

[Hosenbund]

引用自 Tr0w：

引用自 Hosenbund：

thats because the witcher 3 combat is absolutely awful... ff16 combat is a materpiece in comparison. you can easily break the witcher 3 combat system completely

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ak6SXL1On9I

dont think i need to add anything to that

"Masterpiece" Lmfao, sure if boring af battles of attrition are your thing. Nothing in that video makes me think this game's combat is any better. If your regular attacks, charged attacks, and skills might as well not exist then your combat system is abysmal.

well i think the FF16 combat is way better, its really enjoyable during boss fights, i dont enjoy trash mob fights too much either though

i also didnt claim that FF16 combat is a masterpiece, i claimed that it could be considered a masterpiece compared to witcher 3 combat, thats it, and the bar is not that high

both witcher and Final fantasy games are played for their story, not for their gameplay though. the gameplay is just supposed to be good enough to keep you going

if you want a really good action combat system then lets play monster hunter or something else

[Tr0w]

引用自 Hosenbund：

引用自 Tr0w：

"Masterpiece" Lmfao, sure if boring af battles of attrition are your thing. Nothing in that video makes me think this game's combat is any better. If your regular attacks, charged attacks, and skills might as well not exist then your combat system is abysmal.

well i think the FF16 combat is way better, its really enjoyable during boss fights, i dont enjoy trash mob fights too much either though

i also didnt claim that FF16 combat is a masterpiece, i claimed that it could be considered a masterpiece compared to witcher 3 combat, thats it, and the bar is not that high

both witcher and Final fantasy games are played for their story, not for their gameplay though. the gameplay is just supposed to be good enough to keep you going

if you want a really good action combat system then lets play monster hunter or something else

I'd still disagree, imho both have lacking combat systems but at least trash mobs can still be fun to dice up in Witcher whereas they're a slog in this unless you fire off Eikon Ults and it just annoys me cos for a sword user Clive has to be the weakest swordsman I've played in a game.

[Wallaby]

Honestly, I just straight up forget theyre even there when im fighting, they have very little impact. I wish it was kinda similar to FFXV, abilities you can trigger yourself.

[alumlovescake]

引用自 iameatingjam：

They're more useful than in the Divine Force, man are they ever useless in that game.... By the way, this game feels awfully similar to that game in a number of ways. Tri-ace is under square, I wonder if they use the same engine.

FF16 is based of the ff14 engine I think

[Tr0w]

引用自 alumlovescake：

引用自 iameatingjam：

They're more useful than in the Divine Force, man are they ever useless in that game.... By the way, this game feels awfully similar to that game in a number of ways. Tri-ace is under square, I wonder if they use the same engine.

FF16 is based of the ff14 engine I think

Iirc they built a new engine for 16 with help from Sony.

[♥]

the AI is decent when you are not waiting on it to play the game for you, i can come across a group of enemies and a miniboss with stagger bar, i will focus the miniboss and the AI can take care of most if not all of the normal enemies.

[moshiwakeda]

My feeling about NPC ai is that it should either be non-intrusive, or really really good. Like NPCs in Cyberpunk acting all weird is obtrusive and immersion breaking. But its extremely hard to fix that

Then you have games like ZZZ where NPCs are ghosts that literally phase through everything, but it works out better because they're not acting weird

If I had to think of an example of believable and complex NPCs, perhaps the Hitman games come to mind, because most of them are programmed according to their specific location and to respond specifically to different things

Any NPC that is somewhere inbetween perfectly manicured or ghostlike, it's going to be painful to deal with

In my opinion, they scrapped NPC behaviors to commit to the unobtrustive method, and it works out well

[REBirthTheEdge]

Honestly I want more party combo like in Tales.

A Clive and Jill Fire & Ice attack would be kino.

[Bad Distraction Carnifex]

引用自 Tr0w：

引用自 Hosenbund：

well i think the FF16 combat is way better, its really enjoyable during boss fights, i dont enjoy trash mob fights too much either though

i also didnt claim that FF16 combat is a masterpiece, i claimed that it could be considered a masterpiece compared to witcher 3 combat, thats it, and the bar is not that high

both witcher and Final fantasy games are played for their story, not for their gameplay though. the gameplay is just supposed to be good enough to keep you going

if you want a really good action combat system then lets play monster hunter or something else

I'd still disagree, imho both have lacking combat systems but at least trash mobs can still be fun to dice up in Witcher whereas they're a slog in this unless you fire off Eikon Ults and it just annoys me cos for a sword user Clive has to be the weakest swordsman I've played in a game.

That tells me you didn't upgrade your equipment. Trash mobs die super fast in FF16 if you bother to learn your moves.

I think you're just saying stuff to say stuff.