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SolitudeWrlions Oct 30, 2024 @ 3:32am
Performance is bad already, remove the Denuvo
Square Enix is starting to use Denuvo these days, this is not good, especially for these poor performance Final Fantasy games. We have waited long enough for some certain FF games on PC, but please don't tell me that when I finally have the game, I have to endure the performance issues and the Denuvo at the same time
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iameatingjam Oct 30, 2024 @ 4:40am 
Starting to?

Anyway don't worry, they are very good at removing it at 6 months. If you are allergic to denuvo ( don't blame you) just wait a few more months and it will be removed.
SolitudeWrlions Nov 1, 2024 @ 3:47am 
Originally posted by iameatingjam:
Starting to?

Anyway don't worry, they are very good at removing it at 6 months. If you are allergic to denuvo ( don't blame you) just wait a few more months and it will be removed.
I hope so, Thanks for the reply. I saw FFXV's steam page says it still has Denuvo. I don't know if it's true but I do hope they will remove all the Denuvo in the future.
iameatingjam Nov 1, 2024 @ 5:13pm 
Originally posted by SolitudeWrlions:
Originally posted by iameatingjam:
Starting to?

Anyway don't worry, they are very good at removing it at 6 months. If you are allergic to denuvo ( don't blame you) just wait a few more months and it will be removed.
I hope so, Thanks for the reply. I saw FFXV's steam page says it still has Denuvo. I don't know if it's true but I do hope they will remove all the Denuvo in the future.

Don't worry, they will. SE is very consistent with this. Check any game thats 6+ months old like Forspoken or FF7R. They all had denuvo. But when 6 clocks over, denuvo goes.

Kind of unrelated, and I'm not sure if its the kind of game you are into, but ea is releasing dragon age veilguard without denuvo. That is very unlike ea (and yeah I know we all hate ea but hear me out). I think they might be testing the waters. If the game does well, perhaps their future games wont have denuvo. And if that happens, perhaps other studios will follow their lead. Perhaps they are realizing, Denuvo's bad reputation is bad for their reputation (and therefore long term sales) as well.

IDK, worth thinking about. I know I'm thinking about it.
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jordyexists Nov 1, 2024 @ 9:42pm 
Originally posted by iameatingjam:

Don't worry, they will. SE is very consistent with this. Check any game thats 6+ months old like Forspoken or FF7R. They all had denuvo. But when 6 clocks over, denuvo goes.

Kind of unrelated, and I'm not sure if its the kind of game you are into, but ea is releasing dragon age veilguard without denuvo. That is very unlike ea (and yeah I know we all hate ea but hear me out). I think they might be testing the waters. If the game does well, perhaps their future games wont have denuvo. And if that happens, perhaps other studios will follow their lead. Perhaps they are realizing, Denuvo's bad reputation is bad for their reputation (and therefore long term sales) as well.

IDK, worth thinking about. I know I'm thinking about it.
It seems to me, given the controversy around Veilguard and the long development time, EA is more likely thinking that throwing more "good money after bad" isn't worth it.
The reason why a lot of games with Denuvo eventually remove it, from what I understand, is that part of the contract to use Denuvo in their software, the developer/publisher has a timed license for use of Denuvo's DRM software. Since the vast majority of sales happen in the first six months, most games remove it after that time-frame. Combine this with software being cracked becomes more and more probable the more time passes and the value proposition for keeping the license to include Denuvo's DRM as part of the software package diminishes sharply after the first six months.
I really, really wouldn't base a buying position on a game lacking a particular DRM. They are likely to view those metrics as support of other qualities in the game than specifically that part of their software package.
Likely they'd look at the estimated piracy rate versus actual sales on a game they use Denuvo on versus one they didn't to justify the expenditure. At the end of the day, if the cost of implementing Denuvo exceeds what they'd lose from piracy, that would be what convinces a publisher or developer to cease using Denuvo. Following this, the less people who engage in piracy in general would likely be as powerful, if not more-so, than people supporting games without a specific DRM installed.
That being said, I agree with your assessment that if you want a game but really dislike Denuvo, waiting until that game's Denuvo license expires and releases an update without Denuvo is probably the best course of action, as it would best fit your actual preferences and would give the company selling the software the idea that there is a genuine percentage of their customers who find Denuvo to be a hard deterrent from their purchase.
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jordyexists Nov 1, 2024 @ 10:59pm 
Seems like Google's web crawling, general search algorithms and personality profiling is working, because it recommended me this video from Bellular News on YouTube, directly relating to this exact conversation:

https://youtu.be/27UUF07Gr1Y?si=6RIUp2H2I-9-hkz_
Mashiro Nov 1, 2024 @ 11:58pm 
Strange, I don't recall I have any performance issue.
iameatingjam Nov 2, 2024 @ 12:15am 
Originally posted by jordyexists:
Seems like Google's web crawling, general search algorithms and personality profiling is working, because it recommended me this video from Bellular News on YouTube, directly relating to this exact conversation:

https://youtu.be/27UUF07Gr1Y?si=6RIUp2H2I-9-hkz_

Yup I watched that this morning.
ᴛᴀʟᴜ 🐦 Nov 3, 2024 @ 2:05am 
Pirates mad they can't pirate the game
iameatingjam Nov 3, 2024 @ 10:36am 
Originally posted by ᴛᴀʟᴜ 🐦:
Pirates mad they can't pirate the game
Those people certainly exist, but I think its a mistake to assume all Denuvo haters are pirates because they..... just aren't.
Queef Erikson Nov 3, 2024 @ 12:23pm 
Originally posted by ᴛᴀʟᴜ 🐦:
Pirates mad they can't pirate the game
Get bent, i want my performance back... i already paid for the game.
Hitokiri-X Nov 6, 2024 @ 9:10am 
Originally posted by iameatingjam:
Originally posted by ᴛᴀʟᴜ 🐦:
Pirates mad they can't pirate the game
Those people certainly exist, but I think its a mistake to assume all Denuvo haters are pirates because they..... just aren't.

Spot on.
This PC Nov 6, 2024 @ 11:22am 
performance is fine on my very average machine
MichaelRebirth Nov 6, 2024 @ 12:11pm 
Yea f. u. k denuvo, game randomly having slowdown, fps stuttering bullshiet!
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iameatingjam Nov 6, 2024 @ 12:45pm 
From what I understand, how much denuvo affects performance usually depends on developer implementation, how often they tell it to 'phone home' basically, which is denuvo's... get out of jail free card whenever this subject comes up in interviews and stuff.

But I think SE performance issues (which btw I don't have - but some people do) is not a denuvo problem. BUT removing denuvo can't hurt as its unnecessary code eating up valuable cpu cycles.

Ps. veilguard isn't bad. I like ff16 more but its very well optimized for pc and a good bit of fun if you need something denuvo free to keep you entertained until ff16 removes the D.
I should have waited before buying it. The performance is quite frankly, bad.
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