God the gameplay is just so, so, so terrible

[Paro]

I really do love the story, too. It's just the gameplay is so horrifically bad. There isn't even a single positive thing I can say about it, because none of it is good. There's not even a "hint" of Final Fantasy in the gameplay. It's just a disaster. The people who like it just have bad taste and would be entertained by a puppet show I'm convinced.

[Pnume]

The combat gameplay is actually very good and quite deep when you get a decent numbers of powers to mix. Not as good as FF7 remake but lots of good ideas, very combo oriented.

The issue is the lack of proper challenge in the main game.
The Kairos gate can be insanely hard without the cheat rings though.

Final fantasy doesn't have a defined gameplay. What makes a FF a FF is the bestiary pretty much. You're just projecting your own preferences into the license. You don't like action games, I would guess, which is fine.

[Metro]

How is it bad? I found it pretty cool, I really liked being able to do all kinds of combos and swapping eikon skills ;D

[WitWolfy]

I hear what OP is saying in some encounters fighting spongy bosses do get tedious after a while

[Dailao]

Originally posted by Metro:

How is it bad? I found it pretty cool, I really liked being able to do all kinds of combos and swapping eikon skills ;D

Lots of fights are very similar, elites and bosses have too much health, getting attacked from out of sight mobs in group fights, very linear tunnel levels with some branches that lead to an item that is of course guarded by yet again a very similar fight, no major changes introduced down the line, I could go on.

It really has nothing to offer compared to FF7 remake, or at least nothing I can see. Just my personal opinion of course.

[Pnume]

Originally posted by Dailao:

Originally posted by Metro:

How is it bad? I found it pretty cool, I really liked being able to do all kinds of combos and swapping eikon skills ;D

Lots of fights are very similar, elites and bosses have too much health, getting attacked from out of sight mobs in group fights, very linear tunnel levels with some branches that lead to an item that is of course guarded by yet again a very similar fight, no major changes introduced down the line, I could go on.

It really has nothing to offer compared to FF7 remake, or at least nothing I can see. Just my personal opinion of course.

If you think elites and bosses have too much health , you are probably playing pretty inefficiently. Apart from a few major bosses anything in this game can be melted pretty fast past a certain point in the game.

For the out of sight enemy, I don't know if you've noticed but you have a radar of sort like God of war actually.

[Dagný]

Originally posted by Pnume:

The combat gameplay is actually very good and quite deep when you get a decent numbers of powers to mix.

hahahahahaha

[Pnume]

Originally posted by Dagný:

Originally posted by Pnume:

The combat gameplay is actually very good and quite deep when you get a decent numbers of powers to mix.

hahahahahaha

Well one of the issues with this game is that it way way too easy and a moron can get away with just mashing buttons thinking that he understand the mechanics when in reality they are beyond his understanding.

I'm sure it's not the case with you though. Can't wait for your video with millions of stagger damage

[Danテディ]

Gameplay is ok, its just bland designed.
The most big companies think that each audience has low IQ (but the problem is the easier games become the more lazy everyone becomes, don't use any efforts and beat everything blindfolded) which is especially for young players bad,

imagine some 20 year old people who act like 80 year old ones after playing such easy games for a couple of years. (this isn't just game related, it can affect them also IRL)

It reminds me a bit of the auto-afk mmo, they're braindead but many still play them
God ask why they enjoy this but nobody can look into their head

[Dagný]

Originally posted by Pnume:

Originally posted by Dagný:

hahahahahaha

Well one of the issues with this game is that it way way too easy and a moron can get away with just mashing buttons thinking that he understand the mechanics when in reality they are beyond his understanding.

I'm sure it's not the case with you though. Can't wait for your video with millions of stagger damage

That's your complex mechanics? millions of stagger damage?
Combo based combat sucks, FF16's combat sucks. Thankfully it has good story so I actually managed to enjoy the game apart from the mind blowingly awful combat.

[The Sylvan Learning Center]

Good point OP, you are correct.

[Grumpy Old Guy]

My question is that Yoshi-P was involved in this.

If we are gonna get rid of all the support characters and go full into action RPG territory...

To make a game that looks remarkably like DMC...

Why in god's name did they not take the job system and allow you to level up different jobs to unlock different spells and attacks with different weapons that you could switch between on the fly in the middle of combat to make cool combos?

The system was staring them in the face and they didn't even try.

[dgresevfan]

I just wish we could use more than two Eikon abilities at once per Eikon.

[Dagný]

Originally posted by Grumpy Old Guy:

My question is that Yoshi-P was involved in this.

If we are gonna get rid of all the support characters and go full into action RPG territory...

To make a game that looks remarkably like DMC...

Why in god's name did they not take the job system and allow you to level up different jobs to unlock different spells and attacks with different weapons that you could switch between on the fly in the middle of combat to make cool combos?

The system was staring them in the face and they didn't even try.

Because they didn't go full into action RPG like you said... are you people saying this because it has Final Fantasy in the name?

[Grumpy Old Guy]

Originally posted by Dagný:

Originally posted by Grumpy Old Guy:

My question is that Yoshi-P was involved in this.

If we are gonna get rid of all the support characters and go full into action RPG territory...

To make a game that looks remarkably like DMC...

Why in god's name did they not take the job system and allow you to level up different jobs to unlock different spells and attacks with different weapons that you could switch between on the fly in the middle of combat to make cool combos?

The system was staring them in the face and they didn't even try.

Because they didn't go full into action RPG like you said... are you people saying this because it has Final Fantasy in the name?

Uh, no they definitely did. The game is very clearly an action RPG you don't even have a party.

Also I mean in the store page the first tag the game has is "action rpg"

[Vasco]

Originally posted by Dagný:

Originally posted by Pnume:

Well one of the issues with this game is that it way way too easy and a moron can get away with just mashing buttons thinking that he understand the mechanics when in reality they are beyond his understanding.

I'm sure it's not the case with you though. Can't wait for your video with millions of stagger damage

That's your complex mechanics? millions of stagger damage?:LaughingOwlcat:
Combo based combat sucks, FF16's combat sucks. Thankfully it has good story so I actually managed to enjoy the game apart from the mind blowingly awful combat.

If you think "stagger damage" is the only thing that game has as combat mechanics you are terribly wrong. Combo based combat doesn't suck, it is actually the pinnacle of action combat. As other have said, what FFXVI lacks is challenge. The mechanics are fine.