Local Co-op clarification

[Kingbob]

So Like everyone else I saw that it says local Co-op only and I instantly got really disappointed. It then dawned on me that local co-op could potentally mean 2 things: multiple game pads all playing on the same computer or a LAN connection. I realize that it is most likely the first option but I'd like to make sure since depending on which it is I will either buy it or not buy it.

BTW if it does not have an potential for LAN or other online game play then it might be a good idea to try to develope that capability for this game, I'd love to play it since I have heard so much about it from the people at Polaris but without online game play then I will have no one to play it with =/

[Thoreaufare]

Local Co-op means multiple controllers on one computer, "couch co-op" if you will, like the Ouya. I don't know anything about LAN, but I think that's touching more on the "online multiplayer" that everyone is saying makes or breaks this.

[Kingbob]

I was afraid that they would be the answer. Yeah, sadly it really is a make or break because it is a game where to get the full experience you need to play it with friends. Unfortunately I like many people play was a group of friends that are spread across the country and as a result we would really need online multiplayer to play together. Even if it was just able to do a LAN game people would be able to use a program like evolve to play together.

[Carlz0r]

Online multiplayer is just too laggy for a game like this. Even at the best connection speeds, it's just not a good idea.. especially if you went for a full 4-player match. It's just not really possible to make it work right because of how precise you need to be.

[Blue Shark~Vault Boy /CZE/]

Originally posted by Carlz0r:

Online multiplayer is just too laggy for a game like this. Even at the best connection speeds, it's just not a good idea.. especially if you went for a full 4-player match. It's just not really possible to make it work right because of how precise you need to be.

WUT? I lol'd at this nonsense so hard.

You don't need to be precise in other multiplayer games?

What have you been smoking?

FPS games are the prime example of game where you need to be precise.

I don't see how games like CS:GO, Borderlands 2, Trine 2, Fear 3, Torchlight 2, Killing Floor or any countless of others are "too laggy" for online. And many of them have even WAY more people than 4. What you wrote is pure gibberish.

[Cone]

Latency would be low enough on a (good) LAN connection to not be a problem. Having said that, it's not worth developing a LAN option, because if you are on the same LAN, you may as well just play on the same machine. Definitely more fun that way :D

Also, some people would be bound to have terrible LAN setups (e.g. trying to play over wireless) and blame the game

[Cone]

Originally posted by Blue Shark~Vault Boy /CZE/:

Originally posted by Carlz0r:

Online multiplayer is just too laggy for a game like this. Even at the best connection speeds, it's just not a good idea.. especially if you went for a full 4-player match. It's just not really possible to make it work right because of how precise you need to be.

WUT? I lol'd at this nonsense so hard.

You don't need to be precise in other multiplayer games?

What have you been smoking?

FPS games are the prime example of game where you need to be precise.

I don't see how games like CS:GO, Borderlands 2, Trine 2, Fear 3, Torchlight 2, Killing Floor or any countless of others are "too laggy" for online. And many of them have even WAY more people than 4. What you wrote is pure gibberish.

Of all those games, I think only one has competitive online multiplayer, right? In any case, I don't know about you, but I actually hear complaints pretty often about bad/laggy connections for competitive online multiplayer games. But I can especially see how a fast-paced, twitchy game with such short match times would only be an exercise in frustration with online play... Especially when so much of the fun in this game is connecting with other people while you are within kicking/punching distance of them ;)

[Kingbob]

Originally posted by RagePotato:

Latency would be low enough on a (good) LAN connection to not be a problem. Having said that, it's not worth developing a LAN option, because if you are on the same LAN, you may as well just play on the same machine. Definitely more fun that way :D

Also, some people would be bound to have terrible LAN setups (e.g. trying to play over wireless) and blame the game

You are forgetting that there are programs to establish a LAN connection with people that are not on the same connection. My friends and I use Evolve to play LAN games of Gmod even though we are spread across the country

[Cone]

Originally posted by Zursa:

Originally posted by RagePotato:

Latency would be low enough on a (good) LAN connection to not be a problem. Having said that, it's not worth developing a LAN option, because if you are on the same LAN, you may as well just play on the same machine. Definitely more fun that way :D

Also, some people would be bound to have terrible LAN setups (e.g. trying to play over wireless) and blame the game

You are forgetting that there are programs to establish a LAN connection with people that are not on the same connection. My friends and I use Evolve to play LAN games of Gmod even though we are spread across the country

If you're talking about a VPN setup, then no I'm not forgetting about those kinds of programs... See my qualifier of having a *good* LAN connection lol. Meaning a truly local, switched LAN with no firewall in between hosts. Playing over wireless is just one of several ways of screwing yourself into noticeable latency. VPN's are yet another

[Kingbob]

Originally posted by RagePotato:

Originally posted by Zursa:

You are forgetting that there are programs to establish a LAN connection with people that are not on the same connection. My friends and I use Evolve to play LAN games of Gmod even though we are spread across the country

If you're talking about a VPN setup, then no I'm not forgetting about those kinds of programs... See my qualifier of having a *good* LAN connection lol. Meaning a truly local, switched LAN with no firewall in between hosts. Playing over wireless is just one of several ways of screwing yourself into noticeable latency. VPN's are yet another

That is true but as long as the host has fairly high speed internet (we normally have someone with either 50mbps or 25mbps host) the latency normally isn't to big of an issue. I will agree that latency on a game like this would ruin it but being a 2d game I can't picture there being too much latency since less information has to be sent.

[Oh crap, it's him!]

Originally posted by Zursa:

Yeah, sadly it really is a make or break because it is a game where to get the full experience you need to play it with friends.

Exactly this is why it is a couch co-op. You have to be with your friends. Otherwise it isn't just a quarter of the fun you'll have with 3 friends.

[Blue Shark~Vault Boy /CZE/]

Originally posted by SoCloseToToast:

Originally posted by Zursa:

Yeah, sadly it really is a make or break because it is a game where to get the full experience you need to play it with friends.

Exactly this is why it is a couch co-op. You have to be with your friends. Otherwise it isn't just a quarter of the fun you'll have with 3 friends.

Good try, twisting his words around. Too bad he is talking ONLINE co-op. Try reading the whole comment.

Originally posted by Zursa:

Unfortunately I like many people play was a group of friends that are spread across the country and as a result we would really need online multiplayer to play together.

[Oh crap, it's him!]

Originally posted by Blue Shark~Vault Boy /CZE/:

Good try, twisting his words around.

The irony is upon the fact, that this game needs to be played together with your friends. Local friends. I have seen many people, who don't like videogames, getting excited to play this game. It won't be the same if you would play it online. Not even closely!

[Blue Shark~Vault Boy /CZE/]

Originally posted by SoCloseToToast:

The irony is upon the fact, that this game needs to be played together with your friends. Local friends. I have seen many people, who don't like videogames, getting excited to play this game. It won't be the same if you would play it online. Not even closely!

Well, and I says it doesn't. That is what YOU say. Does that make it a fact? Not even closely.

I am a gamer, I could not care less what are people that don't like games excited about in videogames.

Online may not be same, but who cares? That does not make it worse. When I play games like Trine 2, Borderlands 2 or Killing Floor with my friends and chatting over skype, we have loads of fun. I see no reason how different would it be with this game.

If people want to play local co-op with friends, and are able to, great! But I see no reason why you should keep trying to convince people that your way is the only way to play, and there is no need for alternative. how are other people playing online affecting you playing with your friends localy?

[Kingbob]

Originally posted by Blue Shark~Vault Boy /CZE/:

If people want to play local co-op with friends, and are able to, great! But I see no reason why you should keep trying to convince people that your way is the only way to play, and there is no need for alternative. how are other people playing online affecting you playing with your friends localy?

Exactly! Well said

This game might be a game where some people feel they must be in the same room but for other simply talking over team speak or skype while playing together could be just as effective. The main point is that sadly this game does not offer that chance because it lacks the online capabilities.

[Thoreaufare]

I'm in no way opposed to online play, but the game really just wouldn't be the same IMO. It's like if you played Super Smash Bros. online. Would it still be fun? Yes. Would it be more fun if you could yell at your friend and punch him for finishing you off? Heck yes. I can't wait to play the hell out of this at my next LAN party.