For those thinking the "censorship" is just about Rouge...

[The-Mighty-Lulnut]

The whole of Sonic Generations' script got altered to scrub anything terminally-online people would deem "offensive" (e.g. Amy's flirting, Knuckles' comment on Classic Sonic's weight, Classic Eggman calling Modern Eggman "crazy", etc.). And where things get even more jarring is certain scenes being poorly reanimated to replace scenes those same people would find "problematic" too (e.g. Sonic putting his hand on Amy's face, Amy pushing Knuckles into a tree, etc.). And yes, the one thing people love to use to discount all these complaints... Rouge getting edited to the point it's laughably obvious as to why the changes were made to her and only her.

And here's the problem with everything I mentioned...
A good remaster is suppose to bring a game forward and simply make it both run more efficiently while both fixing out years-long issues and maybe adding some special extra content (cut content or brand new). What it's NOT suppose to do is go in and completely alter a game's story, both dialogue and actual scenes, to try and appease a vocal minority of people who likely aren't even gonna buy the game to begin with. On top of that, the newly-redubbed voices sound even more flat than before and make the flow of things even more awkward knowing what came before. All these changes just so happen to line up with "politically-correct" activism, because those are the most egregious and noticeable changes.

This sucks for me a lot, because I DID want to play the new Shadow campaign. But because I'm now forced to pay up for a botched and censored version of a game I love from 2011 along with it, the money I would drop for the right to play Shadow Generations also gets counted on the Sonic Generations "remaster". I'm not the only one who feels this way, and no... it's not because of "grifters" or "right-wingers"... it's because I see how obvious these changes were and how poorly replaced they were. I didn't need some YouTube personality to tell me something was wrong, I already sensed it from the moment I noticed SEGA not showing anything off on the remaster side of things.

I'm not sorry for calling this stuff out. It needs to be addressed because this is both historical revisionism and unintegral artistic malpractice on what should've just been a straightforward remaster. I'm not saying the Q.O.L changes such as additional save slots and the Chao missions are bad, those are fine (and I imagine Shadow Generations is a good time, but the Rouge "changes" still plagues it too - just need to say that). What I and others take issue with is the fact none of these changes were warranted, much less needed. And all the said changes just so happen to line up with trends the gaming industry in the West is doing now with remasters and remakes.

Now I have a more fleshed out explanation for why people do not like the "changes" and why I think the script being thrown out was unwarranted (not even Sonic Colors Ultimate got that treatment). OK, Peace.

[Chiptune]

Postat inițial de DieOne17:

Postat inițial de Chiptune:

Except it's not actually censoring anything other than Rouge's model.

I feel like everything these two come up with are nothing but strawman arguments. They won't listen to anyone else's side but their own. Not even Twitter would want you.

You just admitted that it's censorship. I'm not arguing about the lines of dialogue, that's a much bigger issue. If games are art, then they shouldn't be reviewed and corrected like this one. If you wanted to change the direction of the characters again, then you create a new game and don't hang on a previous game.
And as for Rouge... it's censorship by 4kidz, while before we laughed at how pathetic it was... now it's pathetic people normalizing it.

WHO THE HELL CARES, DUDE?

If you don't like it, then LEAVE. You don't have to be here! You could be doing literally anything else other than arguing on internet forum posts.

[The-Mighty-Lulnut]

Postat inițial de majikthise.uk:

1) You do know it's not censorship if someone decides to change something, you aren't the arbiter of someone else's decisions on how they want to present their project.

2) We are having this discussion because you've decided you are irked by something completely irreverent, it's like complaining they added more polygons between classic PS1 Tomb Raider and the remaster because you preferred Lara's triangles.

3) The artistic section of the game is the decision of the artist not the consumer of the art, you can have an opinion. Art however is subjective, some people really like soup cans and others think they are stupid.

4) If modders are going to change it to something else then the original is irrelevant to you since you are changing it anyway. Again see subjectivity.

5) Exactly which game have they sold to complete it? As far as I can remember they haven't, before you cry "Like a Dragon" new game plus that isn't completing it, it is additional content. Now is it a scummy move to remove something which was a standard, sure, then again real time brawling was standard which they changed to RPG. The decision to change that was Ryu Ga Gotoku not SEGA, they decided to remove new game plus. Something they apologised for because it is something the West isn't used to but is quite common in Japan to sell as additional addons, that's a cultural clash not a slight on the player base.

6) As you say no-one died or got sick, so why are you complaining about it. As for why they sell you a phone without chargers, did you consider you don't actually need one because the old one works so you end up with a charger that will live in a drawer or end up as e-waste. Again if you are that bothered by a costume change you have bigger issue because you are literally arguing something that is completely irrelevant to the vast majority of people. Jobs don't change the game they give additional options in fact some of the jobs in the packs are worse than the ones you have access to as base.

TL:DR - You are arguing about something a minority of people care about for no reason that the rest don't care about. Something you have admitted you will mod anyway, you don't get to decide how someone decides to present their art.

First point is moot because this was perverted by a writer not involved with the original release in any capacity.

Second point is due to seeing this kind of thing plague modern remakes of older games, and this not even a remake but a remaster.

Third point doesn't even hold water considering all the changes seem to all just happen to favor weirdos who think everything must be sanitized, even the past.

Fourth point is incredibly assumptive, because modders are not guaranteed to restore what was removed nor expected to.

Fifth point makes no sense because it's unclear what you mean (not sure how DLC fitted into this).

What the hell are you trying to convey with your sixth point? It- OOOOOOOHHHH... Why are you off on a LAD tangent now?

[Chiptune]

Postat inițial de The-Mighty-Lulnut:

Postat inițial de majikthise.uk:

1) You do know it's not censorship if someone decides to change something, you aren't the arbiter of someone else's decisions on how they want to present their project.

2) We are having this discussion because you've decided you are irked by something completely irreverent, it's like complaining they added more polygons between classic PS1 Tomb Raider and the remaster because you preferred Lara's triangles.

3) The artistic section of the game is the decision of the artist not the consumer of the art, you can have an opinion. Art however is subjective, some people really like soup cans and others think they are stupid.

4) If modders are going to change it to something else then the original is irrelevant to you since you are changing it anyway. Again see subjectivity.

5) Exactly which game have they sold to complete it? As far as I can remember they haven't, before you cry "Like a Dragon" new game plus that isn't completing it, it is additional content. Now is it a scummy move to remove something which was a standard, sure, then again real time brawling was standard which they changed to RPG. The decision to change that was Ryu Ga Gotoku not SEGA, they decided to remove new game plus. Something they apologised for because it is something the West isn't used to but is quite common in Japan to sell as additional addons, that's a cultural clash not a slight on the player base.

6) As you say no-one died or got sick, so why are you complaining about it. As for why they sell you a phone without chargers, did you consider you don't actually need one because the old one works so you end up with a charger that will live in a drawer or end up as e-waste. Again if you are that bothered by a costume change you have bigger issue because you are literally arguing something that is completely irrelevant to the vast majority of people. Jobs don't change the game they give additional options in fact some of the jobs in the packs are worse than the ones you have access to as base.

TL:DR - You are arguing about something a minority of people care about for no reason that the rest don't care about. Something you have admitted you will mod anyway, you don't get to decide how someone decides to present their art.

First point is moot because this was perverted by a writer not involved with the original release in any capacity.

Second point is due to seeing this kind of thing plague modern remakes of older games, and this not even a remake but a remaster.

Third point doesn't even hold water considering all the changes seem to all just happen to favor weirdos who think everything must be sanitized, even the past.

Fourth point is incredibly assumptive, because modders are not guaranteed to restore what was removed nor expected to.

Fifth point makes no sense because it's unclear what you mean (not sure how DLC fitted into this).

What the hell are you trying to convey with your sixth point? It- OOOOOOOHHHH... Why are you off on a LAD tangent now?

Two words.

NOBODY. CARES.

Either buy the game or don't, your purchase has no stake in anything, you can't use your psychotic ramblings to convince people to your side. Either stop complaining or shut the hell up. Nobody wants you here, yapping on and on about how much you want to ♥♥♥♥ the sexy bat.

Put down the pipe and shut up.

[Chiptune]

I know you're typing up a storm over there Lulnut, because you're a sad existence.

Do you want to end up like another grifter in this game's forums that got banned immediately after their thread?

[majikthise.uk]

It's not moot, as you say different writer. That's like saying "the Lord of Rings movies are bad because they didn't leaving in the stuff about Tom Bombadil in the cinematic release." Hate to tell you this but a remaster of art doesn't mean the person redoing it can't change it.

How is changing a model a plague on anything, as I say if you are that bothered by something irreverent you have much bigger problems.

Who's sanitising anything? Honestly I think it's more weird that you are irked and pent up that you can't see cleavage on a computer model. Like I said you really should look in a mirror and consider your priorities in life.

It wasn't removed, it was changed.

The point was the claim of "sold to complete" care to give an example?

What is a LAD tangent? The point is pretty clear, you are complaining about something completely irrelevant for the sake of arguing about something irrelevant to the vast majority of people. You don't get to decide, how or what they decide to present like your are the arbiter of art.

You are the minority, a pointless shouty minority. Grow up.

[kohlrak]

Postat inițial de Chiptune:

Postat inițial de DieOne17:

You just admitted that it's censorship. I'm not arguing about the lines of dialogue, that's a much bigger issue. If games are art, then they shouldn't be reviewed and corrected like this one. If you wanted to change the direction of the characters again, then you create a new game and don't hang on a previous game.
And as for Rouge... it's censorship by 4kidz, while before we laughed at how pathetic it was... now it's pathetic people normalizing it.

WHO THE HELL CARES, DUDE?

If you don't like it, then LEAVE. You don't have to be here! You could be doing literally anything else other than arguing on internet forum posts.

I would have bought it if it didn't have the censorship. I am glad people complained so that I didn't buy a defective product. Every right to complain about Sega shamefully hiding their political biases behind a paywall posing as a remaster. And shame on the likes of you for trying to suggest that we should not help each other avoid such a deceptive anti-consumer practice

[Chiptune]

censorship = defective

that's what will get you kicked out of every single store in existence.

[DieOne17]

Postat inițial de majikthise.uk:

1) You do know it's not censorship if someone decides to change something, you aren't the arbiter of someone else's decisions on how they want to present their project.

2) We are having this discussion because you've decided you are irked by something completely irreverent, it's like complaining they added more polygons between classic PS1 Tomb Raider and the remaster because you preferred Lara's triangles.

3) The artistic section of the game is the decision of the artist not the consumer of the art, you can have an opinion. Art however is subjective, some people really like soup cans and others think they are stupid.

4) If modders are going to change it to something else then the original is irrelevant to you since you are changing it anyway. Again see subjectivity.

5) Exactly which game have they sold to complete it? As far as I can remember they haven't, before you cry "Like a Dragon" new game plus that isn't completing it, it is additional content. Now is it a scummy move to remove something which was a standard, sure, then again real time brawling was standard which they changed to RPG. The decision to change that was Ryu Ga Gotoku not SEGA, they decided to remove new game plus. Something they apologised for because it is something the West isn't used to but is quite common in Japan to sell as additional addons, that's a cultural clash not a slight on the player base.

6) As you say no-one died or got sick, so why are you complaining about it. As for why they sell you a phone without chargers, did you consider you don't actually need one because the old one works so you end up with a charger that will live in a drawer or end up as e-waste. Again if you are that bothered by a costume change you have bigger issue because you are literally arguing something that is completely irrelevant to the vast majority of people. Jobs don't change the game they give additional options in fact some of the jobs in the packs are worse than the ones you have access to as base.

TL:DR - You are arguing about something a minority of people care about for no reason that the rest don't care about. Something you have admitted you will mod anyway, you don't get to decide how someone decides to present their art.

1. You just showed that you don't know what censorship is. There is self-censorship, there is revisionism, etc. Here they took a game already made and changed things to adapt it to a current standard... that is complete censorship.
2. You just mentioned an attempt to improve, there was no intention to censor, there was an attempt to graphically improve something, here it is not that intention, the intention was to censor because they believe that a character that was created to be a Bombshell model (like Jessica Rabbit or Lola Bunny), is very inappropriate for 2024. Your garbage logic is: Why would you get angry with 4kidz censorship?
3. The artistic section of a game is the artist's... exactly, and for it to be censored by another artist or by order of another person, is censorship. Imagine saying that it is not censorship that Columbia ordered the blood to be removed from Django Unchained, under your logic, they have every right because they own the film even if they ignore Tarantino's vision.
4. What's your point about modders? I don't usually play with Mods, depending on them to fix company mistakes seems pathetic to me.
5. Imagine defending that they sell New Game+ separately XDDD What stupidity does to try to defend a point... "Don't you see, bro? Anti-consumer practices are fine because they were done in China before"
- They changed the game mechanics to a turn-based role... to continue making real-time games (one comes out in February)
- RGG has no power in economic decisions like DLCs, SEGA is in charge of that, RGG is just a division of SEGA that only develops the game, it is SEGA who then distributes and markets it as they want, RGG is just a production team of SEGA.
6. YOU HAVE TO BE KIDDING ME THAT YOU JUST DEFENDED ANTI-CONSUMER PRACTICES??? If it's my first time buying an iPhone, then I'm forced to buy a charger, the change to type C just happened this year due to an obligation from the European Union. And the jobs... the jobs were always in the game... not as DLCs, and if there are paid jobs that are bad... then don't make them paid, because before paying for them you don't know how good or bad they are. 7. Bro, you just proved that you would eat a plate of ♥♥♥♥ to defend your favorite company.

[Chiptune]

HOW MANY OF YOU IDIOTS ARE SO 'WOKE' THAT YOU VIEW EVERY OPPOSING OPINION AS A STAIN?

LITERAL NEO-NAZIS IN THE CHAT HERE.

[DieOne17]

Postat inițial de Chiptune:

Postat inițial de DieOne17:

You just admitted that it's censorship. I'm not arguing about the lines of dialogue, that's a much bigger issue. If games are art, then they shouldn't be reviewed and corrected like this one. If you wanted to change the direction of the characters again, then you create a new game and don't hang on a previous game.
And as for Rouge... it's censorship by 4kidz, while before we laughed at how pathetic it was... now it's pathetic people normalizing it.

WHO THE HELL CARES, DUDE?

If you don't like it, then LEAVE. You don't have to be here! You could be doing literally anything else other than arguing on internet forum posts.

How old are you? You have the critical thinking of a 10-year-old

[Chiptune]

Postat inițial de DieOne17:

Postat inițial de Chiptune:

WHO THE HELL CARES, DUDE?

If you don't like it, then LEAVE. You don't have to be here! You could be doing literally anything else other than arguing on internet forum posts.

How old are you? You have the critical thinking of a 10-year-old

And you have the profile picture of an ipad kid. Your opinion is irrelevant.

[DieOne17]

Postat inițial de Chiptune:

Postat inițial de The-Mighty-Lulnut:

First point is moot because this was perverted by a writer not involved with the original release in any capacity.

Second point is due to seeing this kind of thing plague modern remakes of older games, and this not even a remake but a remaster.

Third point doesn't even hold water considering all the changes seem to all just happen to favor weirdos who think everything must be sanitized, even the past.

Fourth point is incredibly assumptive, because modders are not guaranteed to restore what was removed nor expected to.

Fifth point makes no sense because it's unclear what you mean (not sure how DLC fitted into this).

What the hell are you trying to convey with your sixth point? It- OOOOOOOHHHH... Why are you off on a LAD tangent now?

Two words.

NOBODY. CARES.

Either buy the game or don't, your purchase has no stake in anything, you can't use your psychotic ramblings to convince people to your side. Either stop complaining or shut the hell up. Nobody wants you here, yapping on and on about how much you want to ♥♥♥♥ the sexy bat.

Put down the pipe and shut up.

If you want to eat censored ♥♥♥♥, that's totally up to you, being stupid is also part of freedom of speech.
You're kicking up a fuss because there are people who complain about censorship... something super normal...
If it bothers you so much to see things like that, then you should be playing the game that the incredible millionaire company has given you instead of fighting on the internet... do you see the hypocrisy? Well I don't think so, because you are not a person who doesn't care about censorship, you are a person who is aware of censorship but has to defend every action taken because his fanaticism dictates it.

[DieOne17]

Postat inițial de Chiptune:

Postat inițial de DieOne17:

How old are you? You have the critical thinking of a 10-year-old

And you have the profile picture of an ipad kid. Your opinion is irrelevant.

Is that the kid with the Hazbin Hotel profile picture??
You're hypocrisy incarnate, man.

[Chiptune]

Can someone please shut this thread off? I'm so sick and tired of people whining about censorship when they aren't doing it in good faith and only want to score pointless brownie points to make themselves look "progressive" when in reality they trash everyone else's opinions but their own, and only ever care about making themselves known instead of the actual issues they supposedly represent.

That's all that this is. Pointless mud flinging for the sake of stroking their own egos and devaluing everyone else in the process.

[Baka]

Postat inițial de kohlrak:

Postat inițial de Chiptune:

WHO THE HELL CARES, DUDE?

If you don't like it, then LEAVE. You don't have to be here! You could be doing literally anything else other than arguing on internet forum posts.

I would have bought it if it didn't have the censorship. I am glad people complained so that I didn't buy a defective product. Every right to complain about Sega shamefully hiding their political biases behind a paywall posing as a remaster. And shame on the likes of you for trying to suggest that we should not help each other avoid such a deceptive anti-consumer practice

im crying omg anti consumer practice and its just a company changing minor cutscene animations, some text and a single characters outfit