For those thinking the "censorship" is just about Rouge...

[The-Mighty-Lulnut]

The whole of Sonic Generations' script got altered to scrub anything terminally-online people would deem "offensive" (e.g. Amy's flirting, Knuckles' comment on Classic Sonic's weight, Classic Eggman calling Modern Eggman "crazy", etc.). And where things get even more jarring is certain scenes being poorly reanimated to replace scenes those same people would find "problematic" too (e.g. Sonic putting his hand on Amy's face, Amy pushing Knuckles into a tree, etc.). And yes, the one thing people love to use to discount all these complaints... Rouge getting edited to the point it's laughably obvious as to why the changes were made to her and only her.

And here's the problem with everything I mentioned...
A good remaster is suppose to bring a game forward and simply make it both run more efficiently while both fixing out years-long issues and maybe adding some special extra content (cut content or brand new). What it's NOT suppose to do is go in and completely alter a game's story, both dialogue and actual scenes, to try and appease a vocal minority of people who likely aren't even gonna buy the game to begin with. On top of that, the newly-redubbed voices sound even more flat than before and make the flow of things even more awkward knowing what came before. All these changes just so happen to line up with "politically-correct" activism, because those are the most egregious and noticeable changes.

This sucks for me a lot, because I DID want to play the new Shadow campaign. But because I'm now forced to pay up for a botched and censored version of a game I love from 2011 along with it, the money I would drop for the right to play Shadow Generations also gets counted on the Sonic Generations "remaster". I'm not the only one who feels this way, and no... it's not because of "grifters" or "right-wingers"... it's because I see how obvious these changes were and how poorly replaced they were. I didn't need some YouTube personality to tell me something was wrong, I already sensed it from the moment I noticed SEGA not showing anything off on the remaster side of things.

I'm not sorry for calling this stuff out. It needs to be addressed because this is both historical revisionism and unintegral artistic malpractice on what should've just been a straightforward remaster. I'm not saying the Q.O.L changes such as additional save slots and the Chao missions are bad, those are fine (and I imagine Shadow Generations is a good time, but the Rouge "changes" still plagues it too - just need to say that). What I and others take issue with is the fact none of these changes were warranted, much less needed. And all the said changes just so happen to line up with trends the gaming industry in the West is doing now with remasters and remakes.

Now I have a more fleshed out explanation for why people do not like the "changes" and why I think the script being thrown out was unwarranted (not even Sonic Colors Ultimate got that treatment). OK, Peace.

[PuffyBuffy25]

I'm going to stop my ad hominem, because while I came in to join the usual internet crud-talk, I see there's a genuine effort at discussion here. I am someone people often call "woke" because of who I am and some of the beliefs I hold (whether or not this is true isn't relevant), and I want to set a good example for the people defending this game. That said, I'm not taking things seriously, and I'm here to have fun and discuss niche topics. That said, I'm just as unapologetic about my opinions.

Firstly, your premise as a whole is flawed because the original Sonic Generations itself is apart of the larger censorship and localization done by SEGA of America since the franchise's inception. Sonic Generations was originally written in English by Ken Pontac and Warren Graff, who admit a lack of knowledge on the Sonic franchise and have affected the intended characterization of the cast as a result. Because the English version for Generations is the one produced first, this means that the original Japanese canon can only change so much while still making sense with what was animated.

Meanwhile, these rewrites are being done by Ian Flynn, who while far from a perfect Sonic writer, is far more knowledgeable and does his best to keep the franchise back in its official SEGA of Japan intent. So while stuff like Rouge being censored is odd and unnecessary, the product as a whole is fundamentally far less censored as a result.

[The-Mighty-Lulnut]

Originally posted by Zave:

I do hope you find a game you'll enjoy more to spend the $50-$60 on though.

I'll be going to eat a nice dinner with that money.

[GrimAtrament]

Originally posted by JazzHands:

these are people you will never see again online most likely

literally do anything else, go to sleep and enjoy your off time before you go to work, or college, or whatever it is you do

its not worth it because again; you're arguing against people who don't care

ya after this game comes out
me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_w5UouxLDqc

[The-Mighty-Lulnut]

Originally posted by PuffyBuffy25:

I'm going to stop my ad hominem, because while I came in to join the usual internet crud-talk, I see there's a genuine effort at discussion here. I am someone people often call "woke" because of who I am and some of the beliefs I hold (whether or not this is true isn't relevant), and I want to set a good example for the people defending this game. That said, I'm not taking things seriously, and I'm here to have fun and discuss niche topics. That said, I'm just as unapologetic about my opinions.

Firstly, your premise as a whole is flawed because the original Sonic Generations itself is apart of the larger censorship and localization done by SEGA of America since the franchise's inception. Sonic Generations was originally written in English by Ken Pontac and Warren Graff, who admit a lack of knowledge on the Sonic franchise and have affected the intended characterization of the cast as a result. Because the English version for Generations is the one produced first, this means that the original Japanese canon can only change so much while still making sense with what was animated.

Meanwhile, these rewrites are being done by Ian Flynn, who while far from a perfect Sonic writer, is far more knowledgeable and does his best to keep the franchise back in its official SEGA of Japan intent. So while stuff like Rouge being censored is odd and unnecessary, the product as a whole is fundamentally far less censored as a result.

I appreciate you bringing a real dialog here. Goes a long way to ease tensions between parties... unlike someone who dug up an old review I made just to call me a bigot.

[The-Mighty-Lulnut]

Since people are being misled by trolls on what the censorship talk is all about, I'm gonna bump this thread so people can get more context.

[Yokhai]

Just play the original game then.

[shudouken]

I will get this once its on a big big sale, or if they revert the changes earlier.

[Ikagura]

Rouge was always meant to be Sonic's catwoman.

[The-Mighty-Lulnut]

Just because you try to bury the censorship doesn't make it go away.

[The-Mighty-Lulnut]

I think people are more confused about what the hell is going on thanks to trolls hyperfocusing on that one Rouge article to try and discredit people who have actual concerns.

[Splash!]

this guy still hasnt logged off lmao

[Shock Inazuma | Super Silly!!!!!]

I mean... It's not that big of a deal, having a script change. Y'all be actin' like it's the end of the world. (Besides, when modding support comes around, which it eventually will, there's a possibility that the old script can be imported as a mod if SEGA doesn't add an option to switch to it.)

[Baka]

Originally posted by The-Mighty-Lulnut:

l think the changes SXSG did to OG Gens are unwarranted and simply done to appease certain people.

This very well may be true, but i think this is not as big of a deal as you make it out to be, they did not ruin the game with these changes you are just blowing things out of proportion
The gameplay the characters and plenty of other things are essentially the same and what was changed has no affect on the actual game.

But now for what I think. Sonic's story fell into a rut because of games like generations and colors, I think instead Gens was changed because they wanted to have better characterization and cohesion between the new direction Sega is going in since frontiers, They changed it because they don't want the cast to appear like stupid one track personality cartoon characters not, and rouge was changed because tbh sonic has always been very child friendly its a game a lot of kids can get their hands on because of how colorful it is, I think having a character like rouge designed the way she is, is kinda weird and Sega probably wants to avoid that and that should be a good thing.

Sonic colors ultimate wasn't changed because it was made before Frontiers released, before Sega actually had the idea of what direction they wanted to go in, and it also wasn't made in house it was outsourced knowing Sega they wouldn't let a company on the outside make changes like that

All in all i believe this wasn't meant to be a remaster but a remake because sonic is going in a New direction as of frontiers and Sega wanted to stick to that. Similar to how the Resident evil remakes are operating. If you want the original experience play the original you get a ton of other good games with it and generations is fun there is no reason to boycott this game over a company going in a positive direction with their series when it has been overtly negative since the early 2000s, but if you want too so be it

[ZerackRex]

More pointless censorship. I'm glad to never pre-ordered this game, as delisting the original one while overpricing the remaster was already bad enough. (Good thing I got the OG before it got delisted.)

[DieOne17]

Originally posted by Baka:

Originally posted by The-Mighty-Lulnut:

l think the changes SXSG did to OG Gens are unwarranted and simply done to appease certain people.

This very well may be true, but i think this is not as big of a deal as you make it out to be, they did not ruin the game with these changes you are just blowing things out of proportion
The gameplay the characters and plenty of other things are essentially the same and what was changed has no affect on the actual game.

But now for what I think. Sonic's story fell into a rut because of games like generations and colors, I think instead Gens was changed because they wanted to have better characterization and cohesion between the new direction Sega is going in since frontiers, They changed it because they don't want the cast to appear like stupid one track personality cartoon characters not, and rouge was changed because tbh sonic has always been very child friendly its a game a lot of kids can get their hands on because of how colorful it is, I think having a character like rouge designed the way she is, is kinda weird and Sega probably wants to avoid that and that should be a good thing.

Sonic colors ultimate wasn't changed because it was made before Frontiers released, before Sega actually had the idea of what direction they wanted to go in, and it also wasn't made in house it was outsourced knowing Sega they wouldn't let a company on the outside make changes like that

All in all i believe this wasn't meant to be a remaster but a remake because sonic is going in a New direction as of frontiers and Sega wanted to stick to that. Similar to how the Resident evil remakes are operating. If you want the original experience play the original you get a ton of other good games with it and generations is fun there is no reason to boycott this game over a company going in a positive direction with their series when it has been overtly negative since the early 2000s, but if you want too so be it

1. It's not about whether or not it ruins the game (which it does to a certain extent) it's about when you give in 1 centimeter then they grab 10 cm and then a meter, until they've taken your whole arm.
2. Using children as excuses... I mean, the logic is that children can't see low-cut tops because clearly the beach and the street don't have women with low-cut tops and people (both men and women) who border on exhibitionism.
3. Sega is not going in a good direction under any circumstances, they keep making terrible decisions like Sonic Frontiers (a game with potential but far from being a game of the quality that the industry has shown us), then they release this remaster just to include a game that is almost an advertising game for the movie and they had to mix it with Sonic Generations since it would be a joke to sell such a short game at the price it came in, not to mention that SEGA is desperate to westernize all of its series (they are doing it with the ATLUS and RGG games), and Sonic is no exception, which is incredible since before I thought it wasn't possible to continue westernizing Sonic more than it already was.