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The-Mighty-Lulnut 21 окт. 2024 г. в 18:52
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For those thinking the "censorship" is just about Rouge...
The whole of Sonic Generations' script got altered to scrub anything terminally-online people would deem "offensive" (e.g. Amy's flirting, Knuckles' comment on Classic Sonic's weight, Classic Eggman calling Modern Eggman "crazy", etc.). And where things get even more jarring is certain scenes being poorly reanimated to replace scenes those same people would find "problematic" too (e.g. Sonic putting his hand on Amy's face, Amy pushing Knuckles into a tree, etc.). And yes, the one thing people love to use to discount all these complaints... Rouge getting edited to the point it's laughably obvious as to why the changes were made to her and only her.

And here's the problem with everything I mentioned...
A good remaster is suppose to bring a game forward and simply make it both run more efficiently while both fixing out years-long issues and maybe adding some special extra content (cut content or brand new). What it's NOT suppose to do is go in and completely alter a game's story, both dialogue and actual scenes, to try and appease a vocal minority of people who likely aren't even gonna buy the game to begin with. On top of that, the newly-redubbed voices sound even more flat than before and make the flow of things even more awkward knowing what came before. All these changes just so happen to line up with "politically-correct" activism, because those are the most egregious and noticeable changes.

This sucks for me a lot, because I DID want to play the new Shadow campaign. But because I'm now forced to pay up for a botched and censored version of a game I love from 2011 along with it, the money I would drop for the right to play Shadow Generations also gets counted on the Sonic Generations "remaster". I'm not the only one who feels this way, and no... it's not because of "grifters" or "right-wingers"... it's because I see how obvious these changes were and how poorly replaced they were. I didn't need some YouTube personality to tell me something was wrong, I already sensed it from the moment I noticed SEGA not showing anything off on the remaster side of things.

I'm not sorry for calling this stuff out. It needs to be addressed because this is both historical revisionism and unintegral artistic malpractice on what should've just been a straightforward remaster. I'm not saying the Q.O.L changes such as additional save slots and the Chao missions are bad, those are fine (and I imagine Shadow Generations is a good time, but the Rouge "changes" still plagues it too - just need to say that). What I and others take issue with is the fact none of these changes were warranted, much less needed. And all the said changes just so happen to line up with trends the gaming industry in the West is doing now with remasters and remakes.

Now I have a more fleshed out explanation for why people do not like the "changes" and why I think the script being thrown out was unwarranted (not even Sonic Colors Ultimate got that treatment). OK, Peace.
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Автор сообщения: (Un)Common Raida
people will whine about the rewrites/ian flynn then praise the writing in shadow generations lmfao
sonic fans are the worst bro
No, I think the writing in BOTH the censored Sonic Gens and Shadow Gens are awful.
Автор сообщения: The-Mighty-Lulnut
Автор сообщения: (Un)Common Raida
people will whine about the rewrites/ian flynn then praise the writing in shadow generations lmfao
sonic fans are the worst bro
No, I think the writing in BOTH the censored Sonic Gens and Shadow Gens are awful.
it's peak
Автор сообщения: COOLSKELETON95
Автор сообщения: The-Mighty-Lulnut
No, I think the writing in BOTH the censored Sonic Gens and Shadow Gens are awful.
it's peak
he's a chud don't pay attention
oh wait he's op LOL i didn't even realize, they're all the same hivemind at this point tbh
Отредактировано (Un)Common Raida; 23 окт. 2024 г. в 13:22
for everyone still commenting in this subsection, get of the internet, please, its useless to go back and forth arguing. do everyone and yourself a favor and STFU
Автор сообщения: LunarNebula
for everyone still commenting in this subsection, get of the internet, please, its useless to go back and forth arguing. do everyone and yourself a favor and STFU
It is only people who hate facing the possibility that the game actually was censored who are saying this.
Автор сообщения: LunarNebula
for everyone still commenting in this subsection, get of the internet, please, its useless to go back and forth arguing. do everyone and yourself a favor and STFU
but it's really really funny
Автор сообщения: DieOne17

It's incredible that you keep commenting, it seems like a troll or something.
It's censorship, dude. Stop being so ignorant, the fact of changing something that was already done for moral, ethical, cultural, political, etc. reasons is already censorship.
Under your logic, having a third party come and remove the blood from Taratino's films is not censorship.
And Rouge the Bat isn't defined by her cleavage, she's defined by the fact that she was designed and written to be a Bombshell. In Sonic Dream Team, Rouge had her cleavage without any issues, and from one year to the next, they cover it up... just because they felt like it? Hell yeah, crack. Hell yeah.

What's incredible is you are yet to provide an example other then a projected opinion.

So let's use the actual logic, what if Taratino decides to remove the blood from the film himself? Is that now censorship or are you just projecting it?

Rouge hasn't stopped being a bombshell, well unless you define "bombshell" by "Has cleavage"

You do realise that all the Sonic characters have changed over the years from front line, side line and odd time characters.

As I said and have said to you multiple times, change isn't censorship just because you project that it is and at the end of the day you are literally arguing about CGI polygons like it's the end of the world as we know it.

Seriously, grow up.
Автор сообщения: The-Mighty-Lulnut
Автор сообщения: LunarNebula
for everyone still commenting in this subsection, get of the internet, please, its useless to go back and forth arguing. do everyone and yourself a favor and STFU
It is only people who hate facing the possibility that the game actually was censored who are saying this.

You are yet to provide any evidence other than being irked by it.

Things change, move on. At this point you are reaching old man yells at cloud territory.
Автор сообщения: majikthise.uk
Автор сообщения: The-Mighty-Lulnut
It is only people who hate facing the possibility that the game actually was censored who are saying this.

You are yet to provide any evidence other than being irked by it.

Things change, move on. At this point you are reaching old man yells at cloud territory.
You say this every reply, and I've already given you your answer in an earlier reply. Just because you got your head in the sand doesn't mean everything is fine.
Автор сообщения: majikthise.uk
Автор сообщения: DieOne17

It's incredible that you keep commenting, it seems like a troll or something.
It's censorship, dude. Stop being so ignorant, the fact of changing something that was already done for moral, ethical, cultural, political, etc. reasons is already censorship.
Under your logic, having a third party come and remove the blood from Taratino's films is not censorship.
And Rouge the Bat isn't defined by her cleavage, she's defined by the fact that she was designed and written to be a Bombshell. In Sonic Dream Team, Rouge had her cleavage without any issues, and from one year to the next, they cover it up... just because they felt like it? Hell yeah, crack. Hell yeah.

What's incredible is you are yet to provide an example other then a projected opinion.

So let's use the actual logic, what if Taratino decides to remove the blood from the film himself? Is that now censorship or are you just projecting it?

Rouge hasn't stopped being a bombshell, well unless you define "bombshell" by "Has cleavage"

You do realise that all the Sonic characters have changed over the years from front line, side line and odd time characters.

As I said and have said to you multiple times, change isn't censorship just because you project that it is and at the end of the day you are literally arguing about CGI polygons like it's the end of the world as we know it.

Seriously, grow up.
1. If Tarantino decides to remove the blood from his movies for religious, moral or social pressure reasons... well, that's self-censorship. It's incredible that you want to talk about censorship and you have no idea whatsoever about this topic. If Tarantino suddenly says: "You know what? I didn't like the blood in my movies, I'm going to ask for it to be removed" then there would be no censorship, but in the case of Rouge, it's not the creator or the designer who are censoring her, it's executives or localizers who ordered it to be done, since in Sonic Dream Team, Rouge didn't have any back or cleavage.
2. Rouge hasn't stopped being a bombshell... yet. Cleavage isn't synonymous with bombshell, but when you go around adding centimeters of a character's back and cleavage because it's very revealing, it's like the 50s where they measured women's bathing suits, it's pathetic and makes no sense.
3. All of Sonic's characters have changed... and what's your point? Here Rouge isn't being changed for a reason like it needs to be improved, they're censoring it because from one year to the next it seems like low-cut tops aren't allowed and showing too much back is too lewd...
4. It's censorship, bro. I've swept you off your feet as I wanted, you have no idea what censorship is. And you say to me: "mature", when yesterday you were defending multimillionaire companies with their anti-consumer practices, but nice try. And no, I've never said it's the end of the world, I'm just talking about how pathetic it is to normalize censorship worthy of 4kidz, censorship that people used to make fun of because it was stupid and now we have idiots defending it, justifying it or ignoring it.
good to see no one here are rational adults, their called opinions, keep them to yourself for once
Автор сообщения: The-Mighty-Lulnut
You say this every reply, and I've already given you your answer in an earlier reply. Just because you got your head in the sand doesn't mean everything is fine.

I mean you haven't, a list isn't proof. It's a list. Supposition isn't evidence.
Автор сообщения: DieOne17
1. If Tarantino decides to remove the blood from his movies for religious, moral or social pressure reasons... well, that's self-censorship. It's incredible that you want to talk about censorship and you have no idea whatsoever about this topic. If Tarantino suddenly says: "You know what? I didn't like the blood in my movies, I'm going to ask for it to be removed" then there would be no censorship, but in the case of Rouge, it's not the creator or the designer who are censoring her, it's executives or localizers who ordered it to be done, since in Sonic Dream Team, Rouge didn't have any back or cleavage.
2. Rouge hasn't stopped being a bombshell... yet. Cleavage isn't synonymous with bombshell, but when you go around adding centimeters of a character's back and cleavage because it's very revealing, it's like the 50s where they measured women's bathing suits, it's pathetic and makes no sense.
3. All of Sonic's characters have changed... and what's your point? Here Rouge isn't being changed for a reason like it needs to be improved, they're censoring it because from one year to the next it seems like low-cut tops aren't allowed and showing too much back is too lewd...
4. It's censorship, bro. I've swept you off your feet as I wanted, you have no idea what censorship is. And you say to me: "mature", when yesterday you were defending multimillionaire companies with their anti-consumer practices, but nice try. And no, I've never said it's the end of the world, I'm just talking about how pathetic it is to normalize censorship worthy of 4kidz, censorship that people used to make fun of because it was stupid and now we have idiots defending it, justifying it or ignoring it.

1) Congratulations, you've learnt what change and censorship is. Now prove that there was censorship and not change. As you point out it's not the original creator that's done this remake, that means it is a new project. Which gives them creative control, the choice to make changes is not censorship, a point I've been trying to educate you on for a while.

2) You are right it is pathetic and makes no sense, something else I've been pointing out to you. You are the one measuring the characters worth and value by how much skin they show while projecting that "oh my god the took away skin therefore censorship." You are the walking example of what you claim you are against.

3) Again you are just projecting your own insecurities and worth of others based on skin, cleavage or other metric you deem as sexualisation. Objectification isn't a good trait to have but you'll learn that when you grow up. I mean you've already admitted your self worth comes from achievements and likes.

4) I've not once defended any company, I've tried to explain stuff to you, yet nuance and situational awareness is also lost on you. I'm going to point it out again change is not censorship unless you can prove it is. We knew for a fact what 4Kids did was censorship, do you know why? We have the literal TV broadcasting guidelines they had to work to to have the show air in the US, which if you haven't read the history of censorship in TV and movies in the US I highly recommend it as some of those guidelines were bizarre.

See your biggest problem here is you are irked at a change and you are projecting a reason because you want a reason to be mad, on the other hand I'm telling you how the real world works and you are annoyed at that as well. You also don't seem to be too fond of people laughing at the shouty minority like we should rally behind the idiocy over some CGI polygons. Hate to be the bearer of bad news the majority won't because the majority doesn't care.

By all means continue shouting into the void, it's not going to change anything for you or for me. You will continue to be angry and not buy the game, you won't even make a mark on the balance sheet, nothing will change to your whim but do everyone else a favour and learn from what people tell you. Education will get you further in life then being angry at a nothing burger.
Автор сообщения: majikthise.uk
Автор сообщения: DieOne17
1. If Tarantino decides to remove the blood from his movies for religious, moral or social pressure reasons... well, that's self-censorship. It's incredible that you want to talk about censorship and you have no idea whatsoever about this topic. If Tarantino suddenly says: "You know what? I didn't like the blood in my movies, I'm going to ask for it to be removed" then there would be no censorship, but in the case of Rouge, it's not the creator or the designer who are censoring her, it's executives or localizers who ordered it to be done, since in Sonic Dream Team, Rouge didn't have any back or cleavage.
2. Rouge hasn't stopped being a bombshell... yet. Cleavage isn't synonymous with bombshell, but when you go around adding centimeters of a character's back and cleavage because it's very revealing, it's like the 50s where they measured women's bathing suits, it's pathetic and makes no sense.
3. All of Sonic's characters have changed... and what's your point? Here Rouge isn't being changed for a reason like it needs to be improved, they're censoring it because from one year to the next it seems like low-cut tops aren't allowed and showing too much back is too lewd...
4. It's censorship, bro. I've swept you off your feet as I wanted, you have no idea what censorship is. And you say to me: "mature", when yesterday you were defending multimillionaire companies with their anti-consumer practices, but nice try. And no, I've never said it's the end of the world, I'm just talking about how pathetic it is to normalize censorship worthy of 4kidz, censorship that people used to make fun of because it was stupid and now we have idiots defending it, justifying it or ignoring it.

1) Congratulations, you've learnt what change and censorship is. Now prove that there was censorship and not change. As you point out it's not the original creator that's done this remake, that means it is a new project. Which gives them creative control, the choice to make changes is not censorship, a point I've been trying to educate you on for a while.

2) You are right it is pathetic and makes no sense, something else I've been pointing out to you. You are the one measuring the characters worth and value by how much skin they show while projecting that "oh my god the took away skin therefore censorship." You are the walking example of what you claim you are against.

3) Again you are just projecting your own insecurities and worth of others based on skin, cleavage or other metric you deem as sexualisation. Objectification isn't a good trait to have but you'll learn that when you grow up. I mean you've already admitted your self worth comes from achievements and likes.

4) I've not once defended any company, I've tried to explain stuff to you, yet nuance and situational awareness is also lost on you. I'm going to point it out again change is not censorship unless you can prove it is. We knew for a fact what 4Kids did was censorship, do you know why? We have the literal TV broadcasting guidelines they had to work to to have the show air in the US, which if you haven't read the history of censorship in TV and movies in the US I highly recommend it as some of those guidelines were bizarre.

See your biggest problem here is you are irked at a change and you are projecting a reason because you want a reason to be mad, on the other hand I'm telling you how the real world works and you are annoyed at that as well. You also don't seem to be too fond of people laughing at the shouty minority like we should rally behind the idiocy over some CGI polygons. Hate to be the bearer of bad news the majority won't because the majority doesn't care.

By all means continue shouting into the void, it's not going to change anything for you or for me. You will continue to be angry and not buy the game, you won't even make a mark on the balance sheet, nothing will change to your whim but do everyone else a favour and learn from what people tell you. Education will get you further in life then being angry at a nothing burger.



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Автор сообщения: DieOne17
1. If Tarantino decides to remove the blood from his movies for religious, moral or social pressure reasons... well, that's self-censorship. It's incredible that you want to talk about censorship and you have no idea whatsoever about this topic. If Tarantino suddenly says: "You know what? I didn't like the blood in my movies, I'm going to ask for it to be removed" then there would be no censorship, but in the case of Rouge, it's not the creator or the designer who are censoring her, it's executives or localizers who ordered it to be done, since in Sonic Dream Team, Rouge didn't have any back or cleavage.
2. Rouge hasn't stopped being a bombshell... yet. Cleavage isn't synonymous with bombshell, but when you go around adding centimeters of a character's back and cleavage because it's very revealing, it's like the 50s where they measured women's bathing suits, it's pathetic and makes no sense.
3. All of Sonic's characters have changed... and what's your point? Here Rouge isn't being changed for a reason like it needs to be improved, they're censoring it because from one year to the next it seems like low-cut tops aren't allowed and showing too much back is too lewd...
4. It's censorship, bro. I've swept you off your feet as I wanted, you have no idea what censorship is. And you say to me: "mature", when yesterday you were defending multimillionaire companies with their anti-consumer practices, but nice try. And no, I've never said it's the end of the world, I'm just talking about how pathetic it is to normalize censorship worthy of 4kidz, censorship that people used to make fun of because it was stupid and now we have idiots defending it, justifying it or ignoring it.

1) Congratulations, you've learnt what change and censorship is. Now prove that there was censorship and not change. As you point out it's not the original creator that's done this remake, that means it is a new project. Which gives them creative control, the choice to make changes is not censorship, a point I've been trying to educate you on for a while.

2) You are right it is pathetic and makes no sense, something else I've been pointing out to you. You are the one measuring the characters worth and value by how much skin they show while projecting that "oh my god the took away skin therefore censorship." You are the walking example of what you claim you are against.

3) Again you are just projecting your own insecurities and worth of others based on skin, cleavage or other metric you deem as sexualisation. Objectification isn't a good trait to have but you'll learn that when you grow up. I mean you've already admitted your self worth comes from achievements and likes.

4) I've not once defended any company, I've tried to explain stuff to you, yet nuance and situational awareness is also lost on you. I'm going to point it out again change is not censorship unless you can prove it is. We knew for a fact what 4Kids did was censorship, do you know why? We have the literal TV broadcasting guidelines they had to work to to have the show air in the US, which if you haven't read the history of censorship in TV and movies in the US I highly recommend it as some of those guidelines were bizarre.

See your biggest problem here is you are irked at a change and you are projecting a reason because you want a reason to be mad, on the other hand I'm telling you how the real world works and you are annoyed at that as well. You also don't seem to be too fond of people laughing at the shouty minority like we should rally behind the idiocy over some CGI polygons. Hate to be the bearer of bad news the majority won't because the majority doesn't care.

By all means continue shouting into the void, it's not going to change anything for you or for me. You will continue to be angry and not buy the game, you won't even make a mark on the balance sheet, nothing will change to your whim but do everyone else a favour and learn from what people tell you. Education will get you further in life then being angry at a nothing burger.

You like me to sweep the floor with you, don't you?
You have terrible reading comprehension, you have zero knowledge of censorship.
1. Do you think that creating something "new" gives you the right to modify it? If that's the case, then I'm going to write Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, keeping the whole story, but changing the words that I don't like, since it's a new product... I can do whatever I want and it's not censorship. Again, you just showed that you don't know what censorship is, therefore, you have no validity whatsoever.
2. You used 2 different points to say the same ♥♥♥♥ that only an idiot would say. Next time let's put burkas on the characters since their clothing has no intention, and the fact that the creators of Rouge created her to be a sexy character is of no importance, because an Englishman wants to give an opinion without having knowledge of anything.
3. Objectification is bad, but you can't objectify fictional characters, nice try. You seem to be straight out of Reddit or Twitter, another argument that shows you're a guy who can't be taken seriously.
4. "Change isn't censorship unless you prove it is," again proving that you have no idea what censorship is. I'll explain it to you in simple terms so that your head understands it... when you create a character that has cleavage and then the executives come to change it, it's censorship, because there's a censor who imposes a change, unless you prove that its designer has approved the change without any kind of pressure, it's censorship from here to the moon.
5. A lot of text to prove that you're a guy who calls us crybabies, screamers, or whatever, but the mere fact that you're still here shows that you're affected by guys who are supposedly wrong showing valid discontent. I was going to buy the game, but the fact that it's localized in a worse way by Sega of America made me save my money. Now back to the point, you talk about the real world, when it is clear that in your life you have never picked up a shovel, defended anti-consumer practices, defended unnecessary changes that if they were not important... then they would not have been made.
It was a pleasure to have swept the floor with you again.
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it is better to walk away and be the bigger person, even if you disagree with others, because at the end of the day who cares man
In hindsight, I should've done that. I said my peace and should've just let the trolls roll off my back. The disrespect they showed riled up my pride and led to some regretful decisions both here and IRL.
You can still do that you know that right? Just delete your threads and move on.
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