Boycotting this game over censorship

[The-Mighty-Lulnut]

I was gonna give this a buy, but now after seeing the leaked rewritten script and the needless censorship they pulled with Rouge. I will be boycotting my first Sonic game in 21 years thanks to censorship courtesy of both Ian Flynn and Hit Detection (a Sweet Baby, Inc. like "consulting firm").

I know none of you will listen, but I will not stand for the bastardization of the original game in any form, minor or major, because it does a disjustice to the original game's legacy and robs people of the original experience (for better or for worse). A remake this is not, so this is in poor taste on everyone involved's part.

[LilSoonerFanInMO]

Oprindeligt skrevet af The-Mighty-Lulnut:

Oprindeligt skrevet af LilSoonerFanInMO:

Literal definition of insanity

You may not care for Pontac's writing, but it happened and should be honored as a part of this franchise's history. No one forgot Sonic '06, so why is this suddenly the exception? Come to think of it, when Colors rereleased, its dialogue wasn't altered (even though that game was mishandled).

No one is asking for an exception, tf you on about?

No one "forgot 06", you are correct about that, but don't equate that to that being a good game with good writing (hell, if SEGA goes forward with remaking that game, expect that to get a rewrite too with help of the lore team, because that story is also pretty terrible)

Because no one at the time of Color's initial release really complained about it, as it was a more "Classic" Sonic story, which was what everyone was telling SEGA they wanted after Unleahsed (it is only in recent years did everyone kind of flip on that stance and now assumes Colors caused the death of the franchise and Unleashed was actually the good game)

[GrimAtrament]

Oprindeligt skrevet af The-Mighty-Lulnut:

Oprindeligt skrevet af LilSoonerFanInMO:

Literal definition of insanity

You may not care for Pontac's writing, but it happened and should be honored as a part of this franchise's history. No one forgot Sonic '06, so why is this suddenly the exception? Come to think of it, when Colors rereleased, its dialogue wasn't altered (even though that game was mishandled).

why should we honor some one who had so little care about established lore that they literally just made ♥♥♥♥ up? Not everyone is worth honoring.

you going to tell me we should honor the creep ken penders for originally wanting underage sex and incest in archie sonic?

actually segas is already planning to redo 06 https://www.thegamer.com/sonic-06-remake-sega-sonic-x-shadow-producer/
colors wasn't worked on by sega at the time because it was made around the time they had all hands on deck with frontiers. it's part of the reason colors ultimate sucks and why i don't own it.

also colors would need a much bigger reworked then generations dialogue would. and sega until the new ceo took over this year. Sega was extremely shy of any risks at all. Not to mention that reworking colors would be more work then changing the dialogue for generations.

in order for colors to get a story rework they would have to literally add the DS version of the story as that was confirmed to be the canon story not the wii edition(ioh no different editions! censorship!/s)

thats also why wisp mother is in sonic team racing. and referenced in idw.
despite never being in the wii version.

i am all for sega going back and remaking colors from the ground up to include the DS story mode, but sega probably doesn't want to commit that much resources to a remaster.
that's why they are called remasters and not remakes after all.

[NBOX21]

Oprindeligt skrevet af The-Mighty-Lulnut:

Oprindeligt skrevet af LilSoonerFanInMO:

Literal definition of insanity

You may not care for Pontac's writing, but it happened and should be honored as a part of this franchise's history. No one forgot Sonic '06, so why is this suddenly the exception?

Because Sonic 06, even with all of its faults, had so much potential going for it.
The story was one of the most ambitious in the entire franchise, but had its issues that could've been ironed out with a few redrafts to the original script, especially considering that I could see the kind of story they tried to tell. Generations, by comparison, had no story and any character dialogue was mostly just exposition dumps that added nothing to the context of the situation.

Gameplay wise, we now have P-06 that showcases the potential that game could've had.
The original game is acknowledged as part of the franchise's history to this day, but not for the right reasons. I too wished we never got the long loading times, the cast of characters that were terrible to play as or the abysmal programming we got in the final product.

Come to think of it, when Colors rereleased, its dialogue wasn't altered (even though that game was mishandled).

That was before Frontiers released and SEGA realised fans liked having interesting lore and characters like we saw from that game. Most fans, myself included, did not like the story in the original game and while it was disappointing to not see any improvements in that regard, we never thought about that as it was just an expectation we had for remastered games. It's a shame, too, as the DS version was the much better version of the story and not being closer to that (or even including the DS version as a bonus) was a missed opportunity.

The real issues, however, stem from everything else, like the downgraded graphics and lack of actual gameplay improvements (e.g. side stepping being tied to the analog stick instead of the bumpers like the other boost games) as well as actual downgrades like only having one save file as opposed to 6 in the Wii game.

[The-Mighty-Lulnut]

Nah, Flynn was on board way before Colors Ultimate came to be

[Idlemind]

Well at least there's some good news this distraction of identity politics is going away under Trump

[LilSoonerFanInMO]

Oprindeligt skrevet af The-Mighty-Lulnut:

Nah, Flynn was on board way before Colors Ultimate came to be

Source for that? Especially for the games?

Because as far as I can find, Flynns contributions start as early as Origins, which came out AFTER SCU

[GrimAtrament]

Oprindeligt skrevet af LilSoonerFanInMO:

Oprindeligt skrevet af The-Mighty-Lulnut:

Nah, Flynn was on board way before Colors Ultimate came to be

Source for that? Especially for the games?

Because as far as I can find, Flynns contributions start as early as Origins, which came out AFTER SCU

Flynn in 2018 only was delegated to idw comic writing.
Flynn also had zero power. back before the lore team he works for sega as a contract writer for a offical comic book not the other-way around. Flynn has to run things passed the higher ups. hes also not the only comic book writer for IDW. Contract writing means Sega is in charge. a writer in contract writing has basically no power outside making suggestions. they can walk away if they don't want to do it, but they cannot refuse or do anything the contractor doesn't approve.

Oprindeligt skrevet af The-Mighty-Lulnut:

Nah, Flynn was on board way before Colors Ultimate came to be

Irrational flynn haters "how do i make the conversation about flynn."

Flynn is irreverent to sonic colors development.
It wasn't until the end of 2022 that the lore team was even made.

sonic colors ultiamte came out in 2021. do the math which date came first 2022 or 2021

unless you suggesting sega has access to a quantum time machines your argument is irrational.

https://www.eurogamer.net/sega-hiring-sonic-lore-manager-to-ensure-universe-more-meaningfully-connected
hes also not the only member of the lore team. hes only the more vocal member, you only hear about Flynn the most because hes the most well known due to his Archie writing.
evan stanley is also a member of the lore team and writer for idw. a long with dozens of others.

[SolidPayne]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbG-q1N4yPM

[Atomica]

Oprindeligt skrevet af The-Mighty-Lulnut:

I will be boycotting my first Sonic game in 21 years

21 years? You're counting back to 8 years BEFORE you were born, chud?

[The_Dybbuk_King]

There is REALLY 1000+ comments on a thread about the anger caused by a batgirls breasticles.

[smcauley600]

Oprindeligt skrevet af The_Dybbuk_King:

There is REALLY 1000+ comments on a thread about the anger caused by a batgirls breasticles.

yes sadly

[SolidPayne]

Oprindeligt skrevet af smcauley600:

Oprindeligt skrevet af The_Dybbuk_King:

There is REALLY 1000+ comments on a thread about the anger caused by a batgirls breasticles.

yes sadly

Especially sad cause you know these people are getting these opinions from outrage tourists who don't actually care about the games

[SolidPayne]

People like Yellowflash productions, Geeks and Gamers and so on will call Shadow Generations woke garbage trying to brainwash your children one video and then the next video defend Sonic 3 against Mufusa even though that movie has gay stuff in it. These people aren't your friends, they just want attention and to profit off your anger

[benj]

Oprindeligt skrevet af The_Dybbuk_King:

There is REALLY 1000+ comments on a thread about the anger caused by a batgirls breasticles.

At least we're mostly keeping it contained to one thread now. Launch week was wild.

[The-Mighty-Lulnut]

Oprindeligt skrevet af SolidPayne:

People like Yellowflash productions, Geeks and Gamers and so on will call Shadow Generations woke garbage trying to brainwash your children one video and then the next video defend Sonic 3 against Mufusa even though that movie has gay stuff in it. These people aren't your friends, they just want attention and to profit off your anger

I don't even follow those guys, why are we still on the "grifting" stuff? I came to the conclusion without any influence from social media and YouTube types.