PSA: There's some censorship in the remake here.

[Ereson]

It's only fair you guys know about the censorship in this new title.
Here's a summary of the changes we know so far:

1. Amy's dialogue with Sonic after being returned to normal has been changed to cater more to the "Girl Boss" stereotype. Edit: She no longer flirts with Sonic after returning to normal.

2. Rouge's outfit covers up more of her body, the upper part of her back no longer shows any skin.

3. *EDIT NEW* The scene where Knuckles says "Sonic, did you get fat" because he doesn't realise he is talking to the chubby classic Sonic, has been replaced without making any relevance to his pot belly. (Thanks for pointing it out Hermit)

It's pretty asinine, and you might want to hold off buying for at least a sale if you want to fight against censorship. This is just what we've seen so far, so there's a chance even more has been censored.

[Reborn]

Originally posted by Ereson:

It's only fair you guys know about the censorship in this new title.
Here's a summary of the changes we know so far:

1. Amy's dialogue with Sonic after being returned to normal has been changed to cater more to the "Girl Boss" stereotype.
2. Rouge's outfit covers up more of her body, the upper part of her back no longer shows any skin.

It's pretty asinine, and you might want to hold off buying for at least a sale if you want to fight against censorship. This is just what we've seen so far, so there's a chance even more has been censored.

If you give a ♥♥♥♥ THAT much about some changes such as those to keep you from buying by what all accounts seem to point to as a good sonic game, you are a bigger snowflake than the the people that are usually considered snowflakes lmao.

[NwolcRaving]

Originally posted by Ereson:

It's only fair you guys know about the censorship in this new title.
Here's a summary of the changes we know so far:

1. Amy's dialogue with Sonic after being returned to normal has been changed to cater more to the "Girl Boss" stereotype.
2. Rouge's outfit covers up more of her body, the upper part of her back no longer shows any skin.

It's pretty asinine, and you might want to hold off buying for at least a sale if you want to fight against censorship. This is just what we've seen so far, so there's a chance even more has been censored.

put the fries on the bag bro

[Ereson]

Originally posted by Reborn:

If you give a ♥♥♥♥ THAT much about some changes such as those to keep you from buying by what all accounts seem to point to as a good sonic game you are a bigger snowflake than than the people that are usually considered snowflakes lmao.

How about instead of insulting people for having a different opinion from yourself, you ask yourself why people are adamant about not supporting censorship? Because you're just a child who's never had a single deep thought in your entire life.

[Ereson]

Originally posted by itzDerrio:

how dare you have a gigachad like hakumen as a profile pic & make a corny topic like this . most people probably wouldn’t even notice this

Subtle bits of censorship like this are what ruins games in the long run. It becomes a catalyst, escalation occurs, and suddenly the characters you once knew are nothing like their current renditions.

Look what's happened to Lara Croft. With the Netflix adaptation, she is now nothing like original version anymore. If you think that's a good thing, I don't know what to say.

[GrimAtrament]

Amy's personality change is literally a breath of fresh air compared to her obsessive stalker sonic heroes personality. also why is any competent female character suddenly "girl boss."
her IDW mix of boom and adventure where she still has her sonic crush, but it isn't her ONLY character trait is an improvement.

Originally posted by Reborn:

Originally posted by Ereson:

It's only fair you guys know about the censorship in this new title.
Here's a summary of the changes we know so far:

1. Amy's dialogue with Sonic after being returned to normal has been changed to cater more to the "Girl Boss" stereotype.
2. Rouge's outfit covers up more of her body, the upper part of her back no longer shows any skin.

It's pretty asinine, and you might want to hold off buying for at least a sale if you want to fight against censorship. This is just what we've seen so far, so there's a chance even more has been censored.

If you give a ♥♥♥♥ THAT much about some changes such as those to keep you from buying by what all accounts seem to point to as a good sonic game, you are a bigger snowflake than the the people that are usually considered snowflakes lmao.

anyone who thinks generations/meta era writing was remotely okay and or better then what we get in IDW or adventure era never cared about the franchises characters to begin with lets face it.

IDW/frontier amy is the best glow up for her character.

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/idwsonic/images/f/f7/Amy_admires_Sonic.jpg

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still has her crush

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GRfpbO2XkAAi1yY.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GRfpbOzXwAAzWx_.jpg
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still keeps the girly bratty side.

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/idwsonic/images/4/42/Amy_explaining.jpeg
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but actually bounces off other characters now rather then being the one note character that was grating.




i don't like rogues apparent design change because wings don't phase through shirts should be pritty brain dead obvious to any designer. but that change is questionable if it's not a single frame screw up on sega's part because amy appears to still have a backless dress as well. rouge also still has her backless shirt in dark beginnings minus cell shading. and in the canon IDW so it might be a frame mess up. again we're making a lot of asumptions based on a single still frame image. but we will have to play to see, but honestly it's not even a big detail compared to literally a better story then characters developing selective amensia.

[Qliphoth]

I have doubts 1 is entirely censorship. If the rewrite is more post sonic forces, I think it's more consistent to the shift in Amy's role in the over all narrative (this is also IDW consistent). Like I'm betting something will get changed to show Rouge had some idea about the time eater given what we saw in the short, and I wouldn't call the change from her obliviousness censorship.

2. is most definitely censorship.... Sega, do better.
But it's one design, on one character, who's had different outfits with different states of covered or undressed-ness across the years, so this is pretty low on my bar to boycott over it. I would however send sega a letter and tell them to not bow to the puritans, or if it's a rating issue tell them to tell ESRB/Pegi/CERO to eat a ♥♥♥♥ and next time just take the higher rating.

Edit:
I would over all argue that the dialogue changes are not censorship. Rather more of different writers. The continuity changed to incorporate what encompass "Shadow generations"; be that forces, be that frontiers, etc. I think this is generally more "what Ian Flynn would have figured, how the characters would react and speak". If you just don't like Ian Flynn and his approach that's valid I hate what he did to shadow in metal virus. But unless sufficiently convinced otherwise, I wouldn't strictly consider any of what we've got censorship...

[Ereson]

Originally posted by GrimAtrament:

Amy's personality change is literally a breath of fresh air compared to her obsessive stalker sonic heroes ontwards personality.

her IDW mix of boom and adventure where she still has her sonic crush, but it isn't her ONLY character trait is an improvement.

i don't like rogues apparent design change because wings don't phase through shirts should be pritty brain dead obvious to any designer. but that change is questionable if it's not a single frame screw up on sega's part because amy appears to still have a backless dress as well. rouge also still has her backless shirt in dark beginnings and in the canon IDW so it might be a frame mess up. again we're making a lot of asumptions based on a single still frame image. but we will have to play to see, but honestly it's not even a big detail compared to literally a better story then characters developing selective amensia.

Original Amy is way more interesting than Modern Amy. Her old version was an obsessive Sonic fan-girl which I think is adorable. She was cute, funny, vulnerable, feminine, and deeply caring of animals, and all forms of life (E-102 Gamma, humans). Her original version was also great at helping flesh Sonic out from the iconic Mario. Sonic chased his goals, and mostly ignored any desire for love, whereas Mario would go and chase his love. Sonic's relationship with Amy was strictly platonic, he cares a lot for Amy, but would never give up his goals to chase after her romantically.

This original rendition of Amy is one of my favorite characters of all time. Some of her iconic moments like when she stood in front of Gamma to prevent Sonic from attacking him in SA1, or when she encouraged Shadow to give humanity a chance in SA2 are absolutely brilliant.

Modern Amy's new rendition is a variation of "Girl Boss". It is become a very tired stereotype because it's extremely predictable. Personality wise, Amy has essentially become a male character who dresses feminine, and has a few girly traits still. She doesn't need Sonic anymore, she's not nearly as obsessed about him, and she can do anything Sonic can do or better. That "motherly protector" like nature of her former self is not really referenced anymore.

I will be fair here and say that Modern Amy is not anywhere as bad as some other modern renditions of female characters. But it's like modern female characters cannot be too feminine anymore, because for some asinine reason it's considered "weak" to show vulnerability as Female, or being in need of some assistance. I'd argue it takes a lot strength and courage to show vulnerability, or deep caring for other beings, which the original Amy excelled at.

If you personally like Modern Amy more, you're certainly entitled to your opinion, but don't go around insulting people for liking the original version.

[GrimAtrament]

Originally posted by Ereson:

Originally posted by GrimAtrament:

Amy's personality change is literally a breath of fresh air compared to her obsessive stalker sonic heroes ontwards personality.

her IDW mix of boom and adventure where she still has her sonic crush, but it isn't her ONLY character trait is an improvement.

i don't like rogues apparent design change because wings don't phase through shirts should be pritty brain dead obvious to any designer. but that change is questionable if it's not a single frame screw up on sega's part because amy appears to still have a backless dress as well. rouge also still has her backless shirt in dark beginnings and in the canon IDW so it might be a frame mess up. again we're making a lot of asumptions based on a single still frame image. but we will have to play to see, but honestly it's not even a big detail compared to literally a better story then characters developing selective amensia.

Original Amy is way more interesting than Modern Amy. Her old version was an obsessive Sonic fan-girl which I think is adorable. She was cute, funny, vulnerable, feminine, and deeply caring of animals, and all forms of life (E-102 Gamma, humans). Her original version was also great at helping flesh Sonic out from the iconic Mario. Sonic chased his goals, and mostly ignored any desire for love, whereas Mario would go and chase his love. Sonic's relationship with Amy was strictly platonic, he cares a lot for Amy, but would never give up his goals to chase after her romantically.

This original rendition of Amy is one of my favorite characters of all time. Some of her iconic moments like when she stood in front of Gamma to prevent Sonic from attacking him in SA1, or when she encouraged Shadow to give humanity a chance in SA2 are absolutely brilliant.

Modern Amy's new rendition is a variation of "Girl Boss". It is become a very tired stereotype because it's extremely predictable. Personality wise, Amy has essentially become a male character who dresses feminine, and has a few girly traits still. She doesn't need Sonic anymore, she's not nearly as obsessed about him, and she can do anything Sonic can do or better. That "motherly protector" like nature of her former self is not really referenced anymore.

I will be fair here and say that Modern Amy is not anywhere as bad as some other modern renditions of female characters. But it's like modern female characters cannot be too feminine anymore, because for some asinine reason it's considered "weak" to show vulnerability as Female, or being in need of some assistance. I'd argue it takes a lot strength and courage to show vulnerability, or deep caring for other beings, which the original Amy excelled at.

If you personally like Modern Amy more, you're certainly entitled to your opinion, but don't go around insulting people for liking the original version.

you have a VERY warped sense of what define masculine and feminine traits where do i even begin.
needing someone does not define someone as feminine. obsession is not a trait defined by feminine or masculine. its a purely human trait and a negative one.

the fact you think of needing as feminine is a big yikes in my book.

none of her frontier idw traits have gotten rid of her compassionate side.
she still has the traits she had in adventure which is my POINT. she still has her deeply caring side we see that as much in frontier.

and shes the furthest thing from a "girl boss."
rouge and blaze is closer to that.

not to mention the ENTIRE POINT of her adventure story was her to become self reliant. and not dependent.
https://i.imgflip.com/9783vu.jpg

also amy can't do anything sonic can. where did you even get that idea?


also no vulnerability. some how i don't believe that.
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/sonic/images/a/ac/AmyRestoration.jpg
https://64.media.tumblr.com/26070cd147b9de837cfda7592b8ce360/7333e212f424e979-ef/s540x810/819890a85cb9c74e0964c7008ba2f4caf7464eaf.png
no motherly protector press x to doubt.

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/idwsonic/images/b/bd/Vanilla_asking_Amy_for_help.jpeg

also you didn't do an entire mission involving returning lost child kokos to their mother in frontiers just for you to claim she doesn't have a motherly side still.

[Ereson]

Originally posted by GrimAtrament:

you have a VERY warped sense of what define masculine and feminine traits where do i even begin.

Masculine traits are strength, courage, independence, leadership, stoicism, and assertiveness. (Classic Sonic)

Feminine traits are gracefulness, gentleness, empathy, humility, vulnerability, and sensitivity. (Classic Amy)

Now I'm not going to answer any more questions from you because your being a childish brat who's just throwing out insults at this point. You should correct your grammar because you sound like someone who's never taken anything beyond 4th grade English.

[NwolcRaving]

Originally posted by Ereson:

Originally posted by GrimAtrament:

you have a VERY warped sense of what define masculine and feminine traits where do i even begin.

Masculine traits are strength, courage, independence, leadership, stoicism, and assertiveness. (Classic Sonic)

Feminine traits are gracefulness, gentleness, empathy, humility, vulnerability, and sensitivity. (Classic Amy)

Now I'm not going to answer any more questions from you because your being a childish brat who's just throwing out insults at this point. You should correct your grammar because you sound like someone who's never taken anything beyond 4th grade English.

this sonic ♥♥♥♥ getting serious

[GrimAtrament]

Originally posted by Ereson:

Originally posted by GrimAtrament:

you have a VERY warped sense of what define masculine and feminine traits where do i even begin.

Masculine traits are strength, courage, independence, leadership, stoicism, and assertiveness. (Classic Sonic)

Feminine traits are gracefulness, gentleness, empathy, humility, vulnerability, and sensitivity. (Classic Amy)

Now I'm not going to answer any more questions from you because your being a childish brat who's just throwing out insults at this point. You should correct your grammar because you sound like someone who's never taken anything beyond 4th grade English.

the fact you are reduced to nothing but ad hominems and not answering the questions really is ironic.

bringing up that thinking feminine is defined by "needing." is probably not a good thing is an insult? how?

funny i don't see being needy listed there.

also empathy is an important trait for everyone

why should sociopathy be a Masculine trait?

are you trying to imply sonic has no empathy?

Originally posted by NwolcRaving:

Originally posted by Ereson:

Masculine traits are strength, courage, independence, leadership, stoicism, and assertiveness. (Classic Sonic)

Feminine traits are gracefulness, gentleness, empathy, humility, vulnerability, and sensitivity. (Classic Amy)

Now I'm not going to answer any more questions from you because your being a childish brat who's just throwing out insults at this point. You should correct your grammar because you sound like someone who's never taken anything beyond 4th grade English.

this sonic ♥♥♥♥ getting serious

hey if the guy whats to try to gaslight himself into believing criticism is "insults." that their prerogative.

[lizard81288]

Lol, next thing you'll know, they give Sonic pants. 🙄.

Can't wait for people to say Sonic is woke now, because they changed some dialog...

[GrimAtrament]

Originally posted by lizard81288:

Lol, next thing you'll know, they give Sonic pants. 🙄.

Can't wait for people to say Sonic is woke now, because they changed some dialog...

what you talking about sonic's never had any political commentary. ignore the environmentalism themes in classic era.
don't look at the social commentary on militarized governments that are able to effortlessly sweep murdering a child under the rug in adventure 2.

[astroboy2112]

Clearly some of you don't know the difference between censorship and artistic decisions. Musicians change arrangements and even lyrics over time when they play songs live. Comic book artists change their designs over time as well, and it just goes on and on. Artists change their stuff just look at George Lucas and all the changes he made to the original Star Wars movies. Artists changing their stuff on their own is not censorship. Finally, Amy not drooling all over Sonic all the time gives Amy a chance to have better character development. She still loves Sonic but is more grown up and can deal with it better than when she was younger. No censorship whatsoever, and I hope you can enjoy Amy kicking serious ass with her hammer when she shows up in the movies.

[GrimAtrament]

Originally posted by astroboy2112:

Clearly some of you don't know the difference between censorship and artistic decisions. Musicians change arrangements and even lyrics over time when they play songs live. Comic book artists change their designs over time as well, and it just goes on and on. Artists change their stuff just look at George Lucas and all the changes he made to the original Star Wars movies. Artists changing their stuff on their own is not censorship. Finally, Amy not drooling all over Sonic all the time gives Amy a chance to have better character development. She still loves Sonic but is more grown up and can deal with it better than when she was younger. No censorship whatsoever, and I hope you can enjoy Amy kicking serious ass with her hammer when she shows up in the movies.

IF she shows up in the movies.
hollywood seems afraid of introducing female sonic characters into the movies for some reason.

like i'm sure sonic 3 will be decent, but i am also kinda miffed we might not see the ARK, biolizard, rouge or amy in it.

also gerald being alive and gun being "the good guys." still seems weird to me.