Is it even possible to finish this game on NG Nightmare?

[Zakuran121]

I started the game on Nightmare Mode with my 365 BP save from FC. Kurt wasn't too bad (reminiscent of FC no carry over Nightmare), but now I'm completely stuck on the Jaegar fight right after him.

I can't find a feasible way to actually beat him due to the fact that his attacks do about 1700 damage, so healing won't even delay my party's deaths. Even with the "Dark Matter" Art, the most damage I do on him is 600~ which is pretty useless considering he has a little less than 5000 HP.

So I know there must be someone who has played the Japanese version. In all honesty should I just give up and go to Normal or Hard, or is it actually possible to do NG Nightmare on this game (even if by luck - like most of FC)? Because so far it seems pretty unlikely, and I know there has to be harder bosses.

Thank you

EDIT: It might be possible but it relies too much on luck. NG Normal or Hard is probably a better decision if you want some semblance of strategy and not hoping for the AI to make dumb moves.

[Walke_893]

Hey thanks for the replies. Good to know its been done before. Lucky for me I've got the balm and puppets leftover and quartz. I'm also playing around with AGL to improve my dodge chance. If I succeed I'll see about posting what I did.

[kyhw]

In case you're still curious, here's a Japanese NG Nightmare PSP blog. I don't know if the stats are the same as in PC, but they're probably close:
http://yuly2.blog31.fc2.com/blog-entry-294.html

Spear Jaeger's stats
Lv. 40　　　HP　10,162　　　STR　666　　　DEF　307　　　ATS　234　　　ADF　103　　　SPD　40

The player apparently only won with a tremendous amount of luck and cookies. Was level 45 for that fight too. Also, it seems that there was one optional battle in Chapter 4 that the player literally could not beat. However, that one doesn't affect BP.

[Walke_893]

Dang, Looks like I might be needing more cookies. Thanks for the link, I'll put it to good use.

[Walke_893]

It is done, The third Jaeger is beaten on NG Nightmare.

Edit:
Here are the minimum requirements that are necessary to beat the third Jaeger:

Level 45 and 200CP
Both puppets (1 from carry-over bonus)
Luck quartz (for earth guard)
Action 1
Cast 1 (on your earth guard user)
At least one surprise cookie (I only had one, used another prior)
Teara balm (the more the better)
Reviving Balm (for healing if not enough Teara Balm)
Luck (or patience, or be crazy enough to attempt this on NG)

There are other things to set up but above is what I think is absolutely necessary to win.

What actually happened would probably be hard to replicate but ideally you want your earth guard user to cast it whenever possible whilst the other casts a quick cast art (like soul blur) or throw cookies. Heal using items rather than Tear and when low on health and at risk use S-crafts.

In particular I didn't need to use Anelace's AT delay (but I got lucky) and I stacked STR boosting gear/quartz on Estelle so that her True Pummel did around 1900 damage at 200CP.

[Zakuran121]

Good job Walke, I knew it was possible but I don't think I would ever have the patience to do so. Keep posting everytime you beat a chapter, and go ahead and let us know if the game becomes easier after that Nightmare of a fight!

[HunterRassius]

Nice Walke, honestly though Zaku he should be much better off after that fight as you finally get some more options. If anything though I think the fights he'll have to watch out for are the bloody monster extermination quests. There's some serious bs in some of those fights (god I hate feather storm)...

I'm going to tell you now though Walke you won't have a chance in hell in a certain Chapter 4 fight. You'll know it when you get to it so don't worry about the loss.

Edit: Think I might go for a NG Nightmare after this run... I've learned a ton on this Hard run.

[Methods]

HOW DO YOU BEAT THE LAST BOSS IN THE FORTRESS?

Im playing on hard with a carry over from the first game. Im atm Lvl40 and 41

Absolutely ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ fight
- normal hits for 900 dmg
- charge for 1,200 dmg
- some gay multi hit for 1,400 dmg
- a ranged attack that does 1,400dmg (looks cool though)
- Constantly has 2 turns, sometimes even 3 in a row.
- some intense buff that increases his str and speed. (So all the above moves deal a lot more dmg)

I only have around 2,500hp so to give u an idea, this prick of a boss can easily 2 shot me if he has his buff up and let me tell u... He has his buff up most of the fight.
Also, every so often he does 3 moves in a row... Those moments i wish not to speak of.


fun fun fun
This isnt a hard fight, its a ♥♥♥♥ fight based on luck.

[Walke_893]

@Hunter: If that fight is the one I think it is then yeah, fun. I'm not too fussed anyway since I lost 3BP for not beating Sword Jaeger. Might go back and beat him anyway since I got a save before it.

@Zaku: Thanks. I'll try to post everytime I beat a chapter. Though might not be for a while since I'm probably going to be stuck in the Ruan casino.

@Methods: Is this still in the prologue? If so what quartz and carryover bonus do you have? Are you going in with 200CP? Are your characters starting in the corner in battle formations? The fight itself is less luck based on hard (I have a simultaneous hard game as I play), and requires some planning. I also believe someone posted a video earlier in the topic so maybe use that as reference.

[kryuzei]

Escrito originalmente por Methods:

HOW DO YOU BEAT THE LAST BOSS IN THE FORTRESS?

Im playing on hard with a carry over from the first game. Im atm Lvl40 and 41

Absolutely ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ fight
- normal hits for 900 dmg
- charge for 1,200 dmg
- some gay multi hit for 1,400 dmg
- a ranged attack that does 1,400dmg (looks cool though)
- Constantly has 2 turns, sometimes even 3 in a row.
- some intense buff that increases his str and speed. (So all the above moves deal a lot more dmg)

I only have around 2,500hp so to give u an idea, this prick of a boss can easily 2 shot me if he has his buff up and let me tell u... He has his buff up most of the fight.
Also, every so often he does 3 moves in a row... Those moments i wish not to speak of.


fun fun fun
This isnt a hard fight, its a ♥♥♥♥ fight based on luck.

Hard mode is pretty feasible and you can delay him with Anelace craft for extra turn. Bring up la tear etc and hit him with arts/scraft and cookies. You can even try to hit level 45 before fighting him so that his skills deal less damage.

Honestly bringing his hp down and surviving isn't that frustrating, what's pretty frustrating is his heal craft which he can sometimes spam and you don't have any methods to bring his hp down that quickly.

[Methods]

Escrito originalmente por Walke_893:

@Methods: Is this still in the prologue? If so what quartz and carryover bonus do you have? Are you going in with 200CP? Are your characters starting in the corner in battle formations? The fight itself is less luck based on hard (I have a simultaneous hard game as I play), and requires some planning. I also believe someone posted a video earlier in the topic so maybe use that as reference.

Is this still in the prologue? - Yes

If so what quartz and carryover bonus do you have? - I'm not sure, i was lvl37 when i started the game however, i believe i got some quartz/money and maybe a necklace?

Are you going in with 200CP? - Yes

Are your characters starting in the corner in battle formations? No, I was actually thinking about starting them together in a corner, though im not sure how much thats going to help my ass whooping.

Escrito originalmente por kryuzei:

Hard mode is pretty feasible and you can delay him with Anelace craft for extra turn. Bring up la tear etc and hit him with arts/scraft and cookies. You can even try to hit level 45 before fighting him so that his skills deal less damage.

Honestly bringing his hp down and surviving isn't that frustrating, what's pretty frustrating is his heal craft which he can sometimes spam and you don't have any methods to bring his hp down that quickly.

Oh man, i was reading about this heal of his... my best attempt i've only got him to 4300hp so i havent even seen him heal yet =(.

I guess ill try to lvl to 45 and try again.

[kryuzei]

Yeah you could try getting to 45, but I think the guy who made the video in hard mode had less than that..although you probably still need to be in 40+ range for safety.

o, I was actually thinking about starting them together in a corner, though im not sure how much thats going to help my ♥♥♥ whooping.

It'll be easier to heal when your characters are grouped together and the boss attacks won't push you back and separate your characters that much since you're back on the wall. Also I think you might get one free turn since he needs to walk to attack you..I think?

[Walke_893]

I would advise against level 45 since the grind for it is long and requires excessive grinding of shining poms. For comparison I was able to beat him at level 42 so I suggest level 42 or 43 is ideal if you wish to grind.

What is more important is that you have a good quartz setup and items to compensate you when needed. And yes if you start the battle further from the boss, he does waste a turn for movement as one of his three possible opening moves.

[Methods]

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.... thx guys, I just did it using everyones suggestions.

I was lvl 42 and my god what a lame fight.
Basically Heal > Heal > DPS > HEAL > HEAL > DPS (i think the fight lastes a good 10-15 minutes) then once he was around 2000HP i used everything i had, food, S-break, prayed to God.
I think I also got a little lucky. He didnt do his 3 moves in-a-row BS at all during the fight and he kept casting the Buff on him-self at low health rather than healing =S
Whatever, I'm glad its over.

[Chester]

So I finally got out of the prologue on Nightmare and want to throw my support behind the earlier mentioned food strategy for the final Jaeger. Every single attack you make should either be hitting with a surprise cookie (it's roughly 800 immediate damage) or an S-Break - even then, with BOTH of the revive accessories, you still need the Jaeger to miss and get lucky on who he attacks (level won't make much of a difference. I did it at 42 and if you've spent 5 hours grinding to level 45 he's still fast enough to get 2 turns in a row and can still 2 shot you).

I wanted to mention though, the food strategy needs to be prepared right near the start of the prologue. Most of the ingredients for the surprise cookie can be bought at the lodge (a couple come from monsters in the woods and fortress, so it's only cookable by the last Jaeger fight), but after the first Jaeger fight you no longer have access to purchasing ingredients. If you haven't bought the necessary ingredients to make the cookies before the lodge attack you're screwed. I used 10 cookies in the last Jaeger fight but I would recommend you prepare to make at least 15 just in case (I actually prepared 20 - I was paranoid).

So... if Anelace hadn't volunteered to train with Estelle, then Estelle would have had to do this by herself? Man, bracers are a bunch of sadists.

[Walke_893]

The food strategy is always superior but requires that you know what is about to happen. Having enough surprise cookies essentially allows you to finish the prologue at a lower level since damage you can deal deal becomes a non-factor.

Otherwise being at level 44/45 is about playing the odds/numbers game. Either way good job making it out of the prologue.