The Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky SC

The Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky SC

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SecularStoner 2016 年 8 月 10 日 下午 5:42
This or Xenogears
Which is better? Both are story driven games.
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LrdDimwit 2016 年 8 月 10 日 下午 7:28 
My opinion? This, easily. It's better translated, the gameplay is all around better, and I prefer the storyline. Xenogears tries to do something that no other RPG before or since has done with its story, but it really suffers from not enough time in the oven. A lot of stuff in disc 1 could be cut with no real impact on the story, and disc 2 is rushed.
Carnasid 2016 年 8 月 11 日 上午 3:27 
Xenogears is a staple of the genre, but even so, Trails is an over all more enjoyable game.

It should be noted SC is the direct continuation of Trails in the Sky First Chapter.
最后由 Carnasid 编辑于; 2016 年 8 月 11 日 上午 3:28
LrdDimwit 2016 年 8 月 12 日 上午 1:49 
Xenogears tried, and I do give it a lot of credit for trying. Xenogears dearly wanted to be a grand epic story that broke out of the stock RPG plot mold. Most RPG plots are content to recycle the same plotlines and characters over and over, using these tropes to tell a story that's good enough to hold player interest in the gameplay.

One of the hallmarks of a truly great RPG is wanting to do something more. Most of my favorite RPGs take a different approach to story - they have a story that's not just a wrapper around the dungeons, but a good story in its own right.

Disgaea. Dark Souls. Odin Sphere. Planescape: Torment. And yes, Xenogears is right up there with these games. It has its own grand tale to tell.

Unfortunately, it repeatedly stumbles on the way. So many things about that game hold it back.
最后由 LrdDimwit 编辑于; 2016 年 8 月 12 日 上午 1:50
SecularStoner 2016 年 8 月 12 日 上午 7:00 
I guess I should give odin sphere a try again. And Disgaea.
keriv136 2016 年 8 月 12 日 下午 6:31 
You guys are ridiculous, sorry but Xenogears is one of the best RPG's ever, period. Don't get me wrong, this game is very good too, but Xenogears is better. Not just the story, but also the battle system and character designs and a lot of the cool features they used to tell the story was just amazing.
GuppyForce 2016 年 8 月 13 日 上午 3:43 
I haven't played Xenogears yet (plan to though) but I find it strange that people call the story of this game good. No it's not. This game excels in characters, worldbuilding, and all-round execution. The story and concept is pretty generic.
LrdDimwit 2016 年 8 月 13 日 上午 5:31 
Xenogears has a great story, in theory, but it comes with a drawback: terrible execution. Trails has a much less ambitious story, but much better execution.

Xenogears has useless characters that don't contribute to the story past their introduction. One of them gets a cutscene where they say they'll continue to hang around "for awhile" and then they may as well drop off the face of the Earth, since they never do anything interesting again. (It turns out said character was going to do more, but their story had to be cut when the dev ran out of time.)

And its pacing is all kinds of screwed up. Because the dev ran out of time, the entire second disc is like the cliff notes version of the game they would have built if they'd had the time. And a bunch of stuff had to be cut to save time. But the problem is that this makes a lot of the stuff that happened in disc 1 seem like pointless filler. So the first half of the game is full of pointless filler, and the second half of the game has to skip over all the really interesting stuff that's going on.
Sir Fluffykins 2016 年 8 月 13 日 上午 8:33 
Is Xenogears on sale here somewhere? I haven't seen that game in decades.

(PS: After playing Xenogears I understood the plot of Evangelion and still see the similairites up to Eva 3.33)
Letari 2016 年 8 月 13 日 上午 11:18 
No, Xenogears is not on Steam, unfortunately. Along with several other really good games from Square that deserve to be played and shown to a newer generation. Seriously, when the heck are they going to put FF Tactics and Chrono Trigger on here?!? They've already made mobile ports of both games so they can't use the excuse of not having code that is easy and cheap enough to convert.

Guess I needed to vent that... again. :(
Carnasid 2016 年 8 月 14 日 下午 1:32 
引用自 meginb
No, Xenogears is not on Steam, unfortunately. Along with several other really good games from Square that deserve to be played and shown to a newer generation.

Still waiting for Threads of Fate to come back around. Unlikely, but I'm gonna wait anyway.
Milien 2016 年 8 月 18 日 上午 5:28 
引用自 meginb
Seriously, when the heck are they going to put FF Tactics and Chrono Trigger on here?!? They've already made mobile ports of both games so they can't use the excuse of not having code that is easy and cheap enough to convert.

I'd rather wait for FF XV than have another terribly looking mobile port.
I know that graphic isn't everything and newer SE games aren't that good, but even emulator can give You better vizuals than these mobile versions.
Too bad nobody is interested in making HD pixel art editions (or maybe they are, but it tooks much longer than making everything in 3D enviroment - like they did with FFIII and FFIV remakes).
Mozendo 2016 年 8 月 18 日 上午 5:58 
引用自 ebenmes
引用自 meginb
Seriously, when the heck are they going to put FF Tactics and Chrono Trigger on here?!? They've already made mobile ports of both games so they can't use the excuse of not having code that is easy and cheap enough to convert.

I'd rather wait for FF XV than have another terribly looking mobile port.
I know that graphic isn't everything and newer SE games aren't that good, but even emulator can give You better vizuals than these mobile versions.
What are you talking about they don't look terrible, theyre ports of the handheld version themselves
Ghaleon 2016 年 8 月 23 日 上午 1:01 
Xenogears is great but I prefer this series myself. I say series because I'm a freak who actually thinks FC has a better story than SC. SC was near juvinille in comparison IMO with the copy paste meet the new big macho badguy chapters, and how they all amount to what Estelle calls 'baby eaters'. I prefer my villains to come across as more than just that.

I also felt that xenogears 2nd disc was actually good, but I can see why people would say it's bad. I grant it could have been better if they didn't cliffnote everything, but it was still good storywise IMO.

The battlesystem though. I have no clue why people say it had a good battlesystem. It was one of the most redundant battle system of em all. There is virtually no reason to not spam your newest/best deathblow over and over unless you needed to heal or buff or something. The combo thing was virtually useless beyond saving actionpoints for when a boss is using the 'defend' command. Fei and Citan were stupid op. Other characters like marie or maria or whatever her name is felt like a joke character.

The gear battles were new and interesting though, but It hink most people hated those, makes no sense to me.

The music in Xenogears is great though, and you didn't mention that one. what?! just what. That's probably the only thing xenogears did better IMO, and even then I'm not so sure with the newer trails games like cold steel, I think the music gets better.
LrdDimwit 2016 年 8 月 23 日 下午 10:19 
I've never disagreed that the story in the second disc is good. It's just poorly told. They didn't even have time to get everything in that they wanted, much less focus on tightening up the story so it flowed well.

And yes. I do believe I did forget to mention the soundtrack. Xenogears has a great soundtrack; I still think Chrono Trigger is Mitsuda's best work, but Xenogears is also pretty spiffy.
SecularStoner 2016 年 8 月 24 日 下午 1:03 
I am about halfway through both games. Both are pretty good.
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