Orbment Order?

[UltimaCJ]

Does the order how you insert the slots matter how you put them in to get certain spells? I'm thinking it does, as I just started Chapter 3. Zin has Earth Wall with his Orb setup. So I decided to unequip them all and put them on another character (Tita) but even with the same Orbments she can't get the spell. While the Orbment ordering is different, because she has to equip the same type for that one. EX: Space for the first one where as with Zin it's Earth.

I double checked to make sure I had the SAME Orbs equipped which they are but the order is not the same.

If that's the case, what is the exact Orbments do I need to get in order for Tita to learn Earth Wall? Thanks!

Thanks for the help in advance

[Berahlen]

The contents of the line matters, the order along it doesn't. The center node is shared by all lines, so as long as it's unrestricted it should be something that adds well to all of your lines like EP Cut. Beyond that, nothing matters.

This is what makes casters good at casting, because they tend to have one really long line that just piles up all the element points in one shot. It's also why people like Zin aren't good casters (besides the low ATS stat), because they have a bunch of short lines with little way to really build a solid batch of elements - -so they mostly just pick up some buff spells and then coast on the passive bonuses.

[󠀡󠀡]

Originally posted by UltimaCJ:

Does the order how you insert the slots matter how you put them in to get certain spells?

Yes, it's different for each character. You need to look at the orbment line colors.

For Zin's orbment there are 4 colors/lines. If you put quartz that have earth sepith on the first three slots, then it will all count to one line. But, for example, let's suppose you put in the first three only quartz that gives 1 earth sepith and you need 4 earth sepith. If you put the last earth sepith in another line then the first line will still have only 3 earth sepith and the new line will have 1 earth sepith. It will not count and you will not get the Arts you want.

Now for Tita's case there are only 3 colors/lines, the first slot only for Space Quartz only. You'd need to get somehow a Space Quartz and another random quartz that gives you 4 earth sepith for the first line. If you don't have quartz with high value sepith then it'd be better to try using another line.

Originally posted by UltimaCJ:

If that's the case, what is the exact Orbments do I need to get in order for Tita to learn Earth Wall? Thanks!

You need 4 earth sepith. So any quartz that gives you earth sepith on the same line will help in getting Earth Wall.

I don't have the game installed, so I got the information from the wiki. I hope it is correct. You can easily see this on your bracer book, it has all the information for all arts for you to try out.

[UltimaCJ]

From the look of the graphic it's one long line, just the pattern for each character is different. So i just need 4 earth Orbs or stats that add up to 4 earth orbs

[Dudu(C)]

Been awhile since I played so I kinda forgot the exact terminology for the orbment system.

Technically to use arts you needed to satisfy it's elemental shard condition, ever noticed how every quartz you equip has some colored sepith shard ? This is the shard value get from quartz, to get specific arts you must have the specific (or higher) value of shards for it. In order to properly build the shard value of your character you gotta understand how the orbment line thingy works.

Basically, every character has a different orbment line setup, it is represented by the different line colors of your orbment, characters with more "colored lines" are harder to get stronger arts, the reason for this is because each line has it's own shard value, and they don't add up between themselves. Because of this the order in which you equip your quartz affect how many shards you'll have built up, and thus what arts you'll be able to use.

Olivier and Kloe are probably the best casters in the game, because they have only 1-2 lines, and both are pretty long, so you can score shard points with ease.

I don't know the combination for Earth Wall, but I know every combination for EVERY art is shown on the help menu on your bracer notebook thingy. Just gotta search there for Earth Wall and any other art you want to unlock.

[Mizufluffy]

The order in which you insert the quartz into an orbment doesn't matter.

An orbment can have one or more lines starting from the center.
Each quartz has its own elemental value from one or multiple elements. When you insert a quartz into an orbment the element value for those elements increases for that line.
Each art requires a certain amount of the elements. When you match the requirements then you get access to the art.

Without opening the game I can't recall how much Earth Wall requires or how Tita's and Zin's orbments look. If you can find one or more quartz with total element value of Earth Wall's requirement and then insert them on the same orbment line in Tita's orbment then she can get Earth Wall.

As a side note, longer orbment line means the character is better suited to be a caster because they get more EP and being able to insert several quartz to same line means you can increase elemental values much higher because they count towards the same total. It's like asking what is [1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1] once or what is [1 + 1] five times. The first one gives 6 but the second one gives 2 no matter how many times you ask it.