Do we have a full list of changes?

[berandro]

Don't get me wrong, Dominions is one of the best series ever made, but from what I can see so far there's awfully little in the new version for it be release as a whole new game

[Imperialus]

Best resource I know of is probably Lucid's video on the topic.

https://youtu.be/4d8fRkHp-FQ

Depends a lot on what you are looking for. For me, with my middle aged dad life who struggles to commit to a long MP game some of the 'under the hood' changes to single player alone make it well worthwhile.

[thedimery]

Originally posted by TLFT Song of Roland:

Best resource I know of is probably Lucid's video on the topic.

https://youtu.be/4d8fRkHp-FQ

Depends a lot on what you are looking for. For me, with my middle aged dad life who struggles to commit to a long MP game some of the 'under the hood' changes to single player alone make it well worthwhile.

A fellow middle aged dad here myself! Couldn’t agree more

[Imperialus]

Originally posted by thedimery:

A fellow middle aged dad here myself! Couldn’t agree more

Only downside is things like "AI nations are more likely to create armies based on national troops" or "Revamped AI Pretender creation" isn't really the blingiest of things to see on a feature list.

But yeah, I've only got one MP game lined up, and it is with a relatively small group of guys who I know reasonably well and we're all of the understanding that it will be slow paced.

[Ibis]

https://steamcommunity.com/app/2511500/discussions/0/3807281445020039925/

This post isn't a full list as it's more a list of what leaked in the beta.

I'll add that there's a TON of changes and additions that make it worthwhile even for MP, and that's without taking into account the modding potential that also increased.

[MNinJapan]

Can't see anything about this but has the scripting and unit positioning been improved? But surely, recognized by many players as requiring attention?

[Mormacil]

Originally posted by mninjapan:

Can't see anything about this but has the scripting and unit positioning been improved? But surely, recognized by many players as requiring attention?

Improved in what way?

[MNinJapan]

The formation setup is very clunky, visually poor and feels imprecise. The scripting looks like HTML with a bunch of tick boxes and tedious to navigate/modify with many units especially with mages.

[Mormacil]

I don't recall anything in the game looking like HTML code. You're aware you can use hotkeys in spell set up right? Repeat spells, copy spell set ups between mages etc. When in doubt press ? to see all available hotkeys of your window.

[MNinJapan]

Yes. Additional QoL for a new release would go a long way.

[Mormacil]

Those things already existed in D5.

[19Peej]

Originally posted by TLFT Song of Roland:

Best resource I know of is probably Lucid's video on the topic.

https://youtu.be/4d8fRkHp-FQ

Depends a lot on what you are looking for. For me, with my middle aged dad life who struggles to commit to a long MP game some of the 'under the hood' changes to single player alone make it well worthwhile.

All things considered it doesn’t seem like it’s worth an upgrade.
Very minor changes.

Appreciate the video tho!

[Mormacil]

What about a new path of magic with dozens of new spells and a rebalance of the entire system is minor? But you don't seem to own Dom5 to begin with.

[Magnnus]

Originally posted by Jeep91:

Originally posted by TLFT Song of Roland:

Best resource I know of is probably Lucid's video on the topic.

https://youtu.be/4d8fRkHp-FQ

Depends a lot on what you are looking for. For me, with my middle aged dad life who struggles to commit to a long MP game some of the 'under the hood' changes to single player alone make it well worthwhile.

All things considered it doesn’t seem like it’s worth an upgrade.
Very minor changes.

Appreciate the video tho!

Illwinter upgrades tend to be thousands of small improvements that add up to big improvements. They rarely even advertise most of the changes, letting players discover themselves. There may not be one big change we can point at, but I fully expect the upgrade to be worth the cost for any fan of the game.

The change from Conquest of Elysium 4 to 5 was similar. Despite the changelog being far more sparse than the one for Dominions 6, CoE 5 is one of my favorite games even though I never got into 4. The change was that big.

I think people get thrown off because Illwinter reuses graphical assets between games. Most games advertise sequels using graphical updates, so people are used to associating new graphics with a new game. When they see a new game with the same graphics, they instinctively think little changed. However, that instinct makes no logical sense. Games are about the code underneath the graphics. You cannot visually see all the improvements.

[Sombre]

I think you're right Magnnus, although in this case there is one big obvious change, which is the addition of the Glamour magic path.

[MadAsgardian]

Originally posted by Magnnus:

I think people get thrown off because Illwinter reuses graphical assets between games.

I think what folks fail to realize is that a flashy "next generation" upgrade in art and animation for a game with 3000+ units is just not really feasible, even if this wasn't a tiny two-person team serving a very niche audience. The game would have to be stripped way back, but it's the insane variety that makes it special.