Son of Fallen lore?

[way2co0l_2003]

So I'm curious. All the other Nephilim heroes that EA Hinnom has access to are descended from one of the Grigori, so who is the Son of the Fallen pretender chassis supposed to be descended from?

[SaD-82]

From the Grigori, as well.
It's just another Nephilim who, according to lore, devoured the other Nephilims (six of them he seems to have missed).
A hungry and powerhungry offspring of Grigori and Avvim.
(And judging by sprites, Ezekiel is a hot contender.)

[way2co0l_2003]

Originally posted by SaD-82:

From the Grigori, as well.
It's just another Nephilim who, according to lore, devoured the other Nephilims (six of them he seems to have missed).
A hungry and powerhungry offspring of Grigori and Avvim.
(And judging by sprites, Ezekiel is a hot contender.)

It's just not obvious who from. All the Nephilim state who they're descended from except him. I suppose that's to give the player the opportunity to decide for themselves, but if he's just one of the many other surviving nephilim then what exactly is it that sets him apart? The son of Azazel seems stronger to me, and heck, my prophet Melqart with his 626 hp seems stronger. lol. So what is it that's supposed to set him apart as the one worthy of becoming a god?

[SaD-82]

Originally posted by way2co0l_2003:

but if he's just one of the many other surviving nephilim then what exactly is it that sets him apart?

Him being hongry, nomnomnom.
The other Nephilim just ate their own offspring (and some Avvim and whatever crossed their paths) - he ate all of the Nephilim instead (minus 6). He's an angry, obese motherf... with delusions of grandeur - like any good nerd gamer who resides in his basement.
With a beard!

Like I said: Judging by sprites, Ezekiel is a hot contender for the daddy-award.

[way2co0l_2003]

Originally posted by SaD-82:

Originally posted by way2co0l_2003:

but if he's just one of the many other surviving nephilim then what exactly is it that sets him apart?

Him being hongry, nomnomnom.
The other Nephilim just ate their own offspring (and some Avvim and whatever crossed their paths) - he ate all of the Nephilim instead (minus 6). He's an angry, obese motherf... with delusions of grandeur - like any good nerd gamer who resides in his basement.
With a beard!

Like I said: Judging by sprites, Ezekiel is a hot contender for the daddy-award.

Haha. Yeah, judging by the description he sounds like he'd be pretty tough, but really doesn't stand out from any of the other nephilim outside of his description. It talks about how he hunted down and ate all the others, but his abilities aren't any better than what the surviving nephilim heroes possess. No better combat stats, worse even in some cases. Really isn't that special HP wise considering any one of them I make into a prophet will dwarf his HP potential, especially if they become heroic with one of those qualities which he can't get. When I compare him to the other nephilim heroes he really just seems rather vanilla and unexceptional.

[Chilli-Göttinger]

Its just what the player wants it to be.

[Draken]

Originally posted by way2co0l_2003:

Originally posted by SaD-82:

Him being hongry, nomnomnom.
The other Nephilim just ate their own offspring (and some Avvim and whatever crossed their paths) - he ate all of the Nephilim instead (minus 6). He's an angry, obese motherf... with delusions of grandeur - like any good nerd gamer who resides in his basement.
With a beard!

Like I said: Judging by sprites, Ezekiel is a hot contender for the daddy-award.

Haha. Yeah, judging by the description he sounds like he'd be pretty tough, but really doesn't stand out from any of the other nephilim outside of his description. It talks about how he hunted down and ate all the others, but his abilities aren't any better than what the surviving nephilim heroes possess. No better combat stats, worse even in some cases. Really isn't that special HP wise considering any one of them I make into a prophet will dwarf his HP potential, especially if they become heroic with one of those qualities which he can't get. When I compare him to the other nephilim heroes he really just seems rather vanilla and unexceptional.

The nephilim with the worse combat stats didn't make it. :P

[way2co0l_2003]

Originally posted by Draken:

The nephilim with the worse combat stats didn't make it. :P

hahaha :P But still though! I'd honestly probably take the son of azazel as my pretender chassis rather than the son of the fallen one as he just seems better to me. And considering he's one of the 6 to have survived, you can surmise that he did exactly the same thing the pretender chassis version did, which is really what makes me question what makes the pretender version special? He doesn't feel like he's inherently better than any of the heroes I have access to.

[SaD-82]

Originally posted by way2co0l_2003:

but his abilities aren't any better than what the surviving nephilim heroes possess

You don't have to be better than others to be better than others.
You just have to win. And feed upon the rotting carcasses of angelic bastards.
Loki, in the Snorri Edda, killed Baldr, Heimdall and led to the destruction and deaths of all the gods - was he a powerful and mighty fighter, though? Nope. You don't have to be - just be the last one standing.

[Ddraig Lleuad]

Originally posted by way2co0l_2003:

It's just not obvious who from. All the Nephilim state who they're descended from except him. I suppose that's to give the player the opportunity to decide for themselves, but if he's just one of the many other surviving nephilim then what exactly is it that sets him apart? The son of Azazel seems stronger to me, and heck, my prophet Melqart with his 626 hp seems stronger. lol. So what is it that's supposed to set him apart as the one worthy of becoming a god?

Presumably, whatever you pay for during pretender design.

[way2co0l_2003]

Originally posted by SaD-82:

Originally posted by way2co0l_2003:

but his abilities aren't any better than what the surviving nephilim heroes possess

You don't have to be better than others to be better than others.
You just have to win. And feed upon the rotting carcasses of angelic bastards.
Loki, in the Snorri Edda, killed Baldr, Heimdall and led to the destruction and deaths of all the gods - was he a powerful and mighty fighter, though? Nope. You don't have to be - just be the last one standing.

True, but if the lore for these guys is they run around cannibalizing each other, to the point where his description is that he spent his time hunting and devouring his brethren, and yet he's no stronger than the other 6 nephilim heroes that show up later, why is it the son of azazel didn't just eat him? They're all power hungry and not above eating each other to acquire their powers and the son of Azazel is objectively the most capable of beating and devouring the son of the fallen himself. So why wouldn't he? As a chassis he's simply the more capable version between the 2.

[SaD-82]

Originally posted by way2co0l_2003:

why is it the son of azazel didn't just eat him?

Already full with those sweet Rephaim?
Being vegan?
A gastrointestinal disease?

Or maybe just didn't have the idea to do so. The thing with having dfferent tastes and such. Or maybe not interested in becoming a god. A diet of barbecued Nephilim could have led to your pretender wanting to be a pretender in the first place. While all those other Nephilims just want to live in peace and dance (not necessarily in the blood of some virgins) and stuff? I've seen stranger things on the mortal realms.

[way2co0l_2003]

Suppose it's possible. I just kinda wish there was something to set him apart from the others beyond flavor text because he still feels like the inferior version to me. Especially when his prophet, a simple Melqart humbles him as a combatant. lol. I mean, over 600 hp at this point. My pretender really doesn't feel like the most important person in my kingdom atm. Useful to be sure. But not greatly moreso than the others.

[Andkat]

He is a bit underwhelming but that is true of nearly all of the titans; only a few really have the mixture of stats or special traits to set them apart in any functional sense much less make them remotely worth their inflated price tags. Son of the Fallen is particularly bad because he combines the storage requirements and defensive inflexibility of your popkilling unrest spiking Melqarts/Nephilim heroes with a default path you already have an abundance of access to. If you want a supercombatant pretender as Hinnom you'd really prefer one that covers for the liability of using your melqarts et al. on the defensive or at the very least offers some sorely needed crosspaths for forging and rituals.

[way2co0l_2003]

Originally posted by Andkat:

He is a bit underwhelming but that is true of nearly all of the titans; only a few really have the mixture of stats or special traits to set them apart in any functional sense much less make them remotely worth their price tags. Son of the Fallen is particularly bad because he combines the storage requirements and defensive inflexibility of your popkilling unrest spiking Melqarts/Nephilim heroes with a default path you already have an abundance of access to.

Yeah, I took him primarily because it felt thematically appropriate but continues to feel like an exceptionally weak choice. I'd still probably choose him next time too though, just because I like to play that way, but can't help but feel like the thematic choice here is one of the weakest ones I could have made.

[Andkat]

Yeah I mean it's a shame that he is how he is, most of the Titans feel like they could do with a significant cost reduction, some new unique traits that actually do anything rather than just being fluff or some random low resist, and/or higher base paths (or maybe just fundamentally reduced cost scaling for buying high paths, relative to the other archetypes)?