Tomcat Is fk this game

[Marcel]

I am not noob player, i have +800hrs in this game,.

Blue team has 2 Tomcats with FIRE and FORGET 30%

Red Team has 1 MIG with FIRE AND FORGET and 1 with SA, both with 40%

Look, fire and forget is very OP in jets...making a huge diference to SA.

Fix this or let red team get 2 MIGs with FIRE and FORGET.

[orcbuster]

They die like flies to high ECM Air superiority fighters. High level players agree that the tomcat is not OP in the slightest.

[Marcel]

Good player with Tomcat will shot 1 or 2 times and evac, before enemy team shot

Fire and Forget shot 2 times very fast.

[One]

Tomcat is 2 per card. So you can take 1 tomcat that will be a veteran. If you play 3v3 or 4v4 battle where a couple of your opponents took 1 veteran tomcat each - you are in trouble and you cannot counter it in any way.

You cannot do the same trick with mig31m since it is 1 per card while basic mig31 is trash at any veterancy.

Eugen just f***d up with tomcats availability in the pacth. They should be 1 per card the same as mig31m

[Geeves]

Originally posted by Marcelo aka Carregador!:

Good player with Tomcat will shot 1 or 2 times and evac, before enemy team shot

Fire and Forget shot 2 times very fast.

Actually, a good player won't bring the Tomcat at all as it is a waste of a slot. A mediocre or new player will bring it and miss with every shot.

Seriously, Tomcat and Mig31 both have horrendous accuracy. They'd be useful if spammed in a 10v10 but that's all. They rely far too much on getting an incredibly lucky hit to be useful anywhere else.

Still, yeah, go ahead and give Redfor 2 Mig31m's it makes no difference. The card is still a trap for new players.

[One]

Originally posted by Geeves:

Originally posted by Marcelo aka Carregador!:

Good player with Tomcat will shot 1 or 2 times and evac, before enemy team shot

Fire and Forget shot 2 times very fast.

Actually, a good player won't bring the Tomcat at all as it is a waste of a slot. A mediocre or new player will bring it and miss with every shot.

Seriously, Tomcat and Mig31 both have horrendous accuracy. They'd be useful if spammed in a 10v10 but that's all. They rely far too much on getting an incredibly lucky hit to be useful anywhere else.

Still, yeah, go ahead and give Redfor 2 Mig31m's it makes no difference. The card is still a trap for new players.

You can take tomcat as ellite - it will have 50%+ accuracy then
Taking into account that it will fire first at any other ASF and then can turn and run away it's a big problem for any other nation that will fight against it, epecially if enemy team will have more than 1 ellite tomcat

Make a look at USSR mig25PD - it has 40% acc missiles either and though 25PD doesn't have any range advantage it was nerfed several times by Eugen already for the same reason - with better veterancy those 40% actually start to hit

[Vuyek]

Tomcat is crap.

It does not hit crap.

The issue becomes in 4v4 and 10v10 with a massive number of tomkitties, because then its crappy RNG Jesus gets buffed by sheer number of kitties present.

10v10 have a plethora of other issues, so I don't play them, and 3v3 and lower number of players games do not have issues with tomcats.

Therefore there is no issue - in fact, tomcat in my experience is a piece of crap.

[Geeves]

Originally posted by One:

Originally posted by Geeves:

Actually, a good player won't bring the Tomcat at all as it is a waste of a slot. A mediocre or new player will bring it and miss with every shot.

Seriously, Tomcat and Mig31 both have horrendous accuracy. They'd be useful if spammed in a 10v10 but that's all. They rely far too much on getting an incredibly lucky hit to be useful anywhere else.

Still, yeah, go ahead and give Redfor 2 Mig31m's it makes no difference. The card is still a trap for new players.

You can take tomcat as ellite - it will have 50%+ accuracy then
Taking into account that it will fire first at any other ASF and then can turn and run away it's a big problem for any other nation that will fight against it, epecially if enemy team will have more than 1 ellite tomcat

Make a look at USSR mig25PD - it has 40% acc missiles either and though 25PD doesn't have any range advantage it was nerfed several times by Eugen already for the same reason - with better veterancy those 40% actually start to hit

50% accuracy vs 50% ecm at extreme range = never going to hit anything. Redfor can do the exact same thing with the exact same pathetic results. This is why you almost NEVER see top tier players using either plane.

You might pick off some bombers if you're lucky, but not before they get off their bombs. You couldve spent half as much on some real ground AA and been better off.

[One]

Originally posted by Geeves:

Originally posted by One:

You can take tomcat as ellite - it will have 50%+ accuracy then
Taking into account that it will fire first at any other ASF and then can turn and run away it's a big problem for any other nation that will fight against it, epecially if enemy team will have more than 1 ellite tomcat

Make a look at USSR mig25PD - it has 40% acc missiles either and though 25PD doesn't have any range advantage it was nerfed several times by Eugen already for the same reason - with better veterancy those 40% actually start to hit

50% accuracy vs 50% ecm at extreme range = never going to hit anything. Redfor can do the exact same thing with the exact same pathetic results. This is why you almost NEVER see top tier players using either plane.

You might pick off some bombers if you're lucky, but not before they get off their bombs. You couldve spent half as much on some real ground AA and been better off.

Redfor cannot do the same with mig31m - there is no ellite mig31m...

It seems that you have little idea about staff that top players use. Mig25PD with 40% acc missiles being taken with the highest possible veterancy - is the most popular redfor ASF among top players. Tomcat will work in the same way. It's not that cheap of course, but the range advantage in this case makes it worth the price.

[Vuyek]

Why would a top player take MIG21PD with Vympel accuracy 40% and range of 7000 m... and this crap has SA missiles.

When we can take YAK141 with accuracy 60%, range 7700m... and they have F&F not crap SA like MIG21PD?

[Geeves]

Originally posted by One:

Originally posted by Geeves:

50% accuracy vs 50% ecm at extreme range = never going to hit anything. Redfor can do the exact same thing with the exact same pathetic results. This is why you almost NEVER see top tier players using either plane.

You might pick off some bombers if you're lucky, but not before they get off their bombs. You couldve spent half as much on some real ground AA and been better off.

Redfor cannot do the same with mig31m - there is no ellite mig31m...

It seems that you have little idea about staff that top players use. Mig25PD with 40% acc missiles being taken with the highest possible veterancy - is the most popular redfor ASF among top players. Tomcat will work in the same way. It's not that cheap of course, but the range advantage in this case makes it worth the price.

Yeah, you can go ahead and try again with the Su27pu. Or honestly any other similar aircraft, of which there are many on both sides. These are the aircraft that real men use.

As for your comment with the Mig31m, it's all i can do to not laugh. The difference between elite and veteran is inconsequential with a pathetic base accuracy of 40%.

kthxbye

[One]

Originally posted by Uncle Timo:

Why would a top player take MIG21PD with Vympel accuracy 40% and range of 7000 m... and this crap has SA missiles.

When we can take YAK141 with accuracy 60%, range 7700m... and they have F&F not crap SA like MIG21PD?

Yak141 is bad for it's 140 points price if you compare it with the other ASF in the same price range.
Mig25PD is perfect for it's 100 points price
It's all about cost efficiency
Mig25 has 8HE missiles so if it hits with the first missile it stuns the enemy plane (the same as mig31 or F14). Being taken at veteran it hits quite often. It had ellite training before but Eugen nerfed it to veteran since it was too good at ellite

[One]

Originally posted by Geeves:

Originally posted by One:

Redfor cannot do the same with mig31m - there is no ellite mig31m...

It seems that you have little idea about staff that top players use. Mig25PD with 40% acc missiles being taken with the highest possible veterancy - is the most popular redfor ASF among top players. Tomcat will work in the same way. It's not that cheap of course, but the range advantage in this case makes it worth the price.

Yeah, you can go ahead and try again with the Su27pu. Or honestly any other similar aircraft, of which there are many on both sides. These are the aircraft that real men use.

As for your comment with the Mig31m, it's all i can do to not laugh. The difference between elite and veteran is inconsequential with a pathetic base accuracy of 40%.

kthxbye

Su27pu doesn't have range advantage
Mig31m can be taken only as hardened
So redfor doesn't have anything equal F14 at this moment

Why do I even arguing with people who don't know the game well enough...

[Marcel]

Tomcat can hit and run Su27 before he shot. Is not Hard.

[Norman]

Stop crying and take to work.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=596275573

[One]

Originally posted by Norman:

Stop crying and take to work.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=596275573

Screnshot from 10v10 (a clown mode full of noobs) as an evidence - just lol

If I give you a screenshot showing btr80 killing abrams m1a2 will it mean btr80 is the right tool for killing tanks?