Su-27M v.s. Su-25T

[YungNut]

For 200 points each I was trying to figure out which is the better of the two. The Su-27M has better atgms, being they are F&F with more AP and range, as well as 4 long range AA missiles and very good overall stats including speed, ecm, and air detection. The Su-25T has worse atgms, AA missiles, speed, ecm, and air detection. However it's atgms are still very competent and are plentiful (an astonishing 16 missiles) and the plane has 2 frontal and rear armor. Also you can field 2 Su-25Ts while you can only have one Su-27M. This is the overall comparison. Which of the two planes do you prefer?

[SPQR Flamidius Chlamidius]

best is to take both

[YungNut]

Originally posted by Ultramarines:

best is to take both

I feel like taking two cards of atgm planes is kind of a waste, there are much more useful planes you could take

[[RO]ALFA]

It's not a waste .Both are powerful but have slighty different roles(even they both have atgm).

[Feral Hogs R Us]

Definetly the su27, the 25t is only better when your enemy has no or a small amount of aa. The massive amount of missles it carries is irrelavent if you just need to evac it.

[Rabidnid]

Originally posted by TheWagratPatrol:

Definetly the su27, the 25t is only better when your enemy has no or a small amount of aa. The massive amount of missles it carries is irrelavent if you just need to evac it.

Yup, with it's small turning circle and loads of weapons it's great for cutting down droves of vehicles, but in the same circumstances ATGM gunships will do the same thing. It basically has no role, and the Su-27m is a nice multirole, but certainly not an aircraft that should be depended on. It is the plane you take in addition to your primary ATGM aircraft.

[YungNut]

Originally posted by Rabidnid:

Originally posted by TheWagratPatrol:

Definetly the su27, the 25t is only better when your enemy has no or a small amount of aa. The massive amount of missles it carries is irrelavent if you just need to evac it.

Yup, with it's small turning circle and loads of weapons it's great for cutting down droves of vehicles, but in the same circumstances ATGM gunships will do the same thing. It basically has no role, and the Su-27m is a nice multirole, but certainly not an aircraft that should be depended on. It is the plane you take in addition to your primary ATGM aircraft.

Yeah that makes sense, now that I think about it the Su-25T seems pretty overpriced at 200 points. It should probably be around the 150 range

[TRIUMPH]

25T in games lacking total AA. 27M in games where there is a lot of AA and you need a fast snipe or another piece for your strike package.

[FamilyJules]

Su-25T is basocally useless because it can only come close to reaching its potential if your opponent is clueless and doesn't invest in AA. Su-27M is a very safe choice, even if enemy AA is present because the Su-27M has long ranged missiles.

[[RO]ALFA]

What .SU-25T is amazing .if you micro it well (and also use a sead to scare the enemy aa) you can fire at the enemy tanks and not even get hit.Even you get hit you will lose only 3 hp.The moment it fires its missile you turn the plane back and then come back.1 su 25t on elite almost never misses.btw don't use the gun -if the gun starts firing it means you are too close

[One]

In general if you need a simple ATGM plane it's better to take a basic su25 for 110 points (NK) or 140 points (USSR and NSWP)

Mig27 became useles after it's gun was nerfed in the recent patch

Su27m - is cool but 200 points for atgm plane which you get 1 per card is an overkill in most cases. It's worth taking in 1v1 and 2v2 maybe where your opponents don't have strong AA usually but in bigger games (3v3, 4v4) where there are much more AA and enemy fighters it's too risky investment.

Su25t (you get 2 per cards at least) requires very good skill to be used properly. It can deal a lot of damage but you should know how to use it and you should cover it from enemy fighters with your own fighters. So again in most cases basic su25 for 110/140 points will be enough to do the job.

[FamilyJules]

Originally posted by ROALFA:

What .SU-25T is amazing .if you micro it well (and also use a sead to scare the enemy aa) you can fire at the enemy tanks and not even get hit.Even you get hit you will lose only 3 hp.The moment it fires its missile you turn the plane back and then come back.1 su 25t on elite almost never misses.btw don't use the gun -if the gun starts firing it means you are too close

Even if your opponent is bad enough at the game that bringing the SU-25T becomes a safe choice, the Su-25T is still not efficient because has to loiter for a very long time and shoot at lots of ground targets for it to be worth the investment.

Originally posted by One:

Su27m - is cool but 200 points for atgm plane which you get 1 per card is an overkill in most cases. It's worth taking in 1v1 and 2v2 maybe where your opponents don't have strong AA usually but in bigger games (3v3, 4v4) where there are much more AA and enemy fighters it's too risky investment.

Su-27M has good agility, ECM and very long range on its missiles so it can safely attack even in high threat environments, as long as it is kept not too close to the front lines.

EDIT: I agree though that it is often overkill.

[[RO]ALFA]

I think you don't know ow to use the su-25t .It can take a lot of punishment and can destroy the aa that's shooting at him in some cases.You will lose it if you use it as a normal atgm plane .It doesn't matter if your opponent is bad or good ,su-25t is used even in tournaments.

[Kamikaze Velociraptor]

The SU-27M has 50% ECM so it going to dodge a lot of AA. The Su-25T is going to get hit a lot and maybe make out of alive. If your SU-27M is an Elite then it going to screw with the AAA radar and firing controls. This is why it sent in to destroy Patriots/I-Hawks. The SU-25T is too slow and can be sniped by other jets in teh process.