American infantry are unrealistic.

[Landsknecht und Deutscher Ritter]

America has the best trained infantry on the planet and yet in game their infantry are all normal training except for Marines. Yet countries with levy armies and extremely limited training like the Bundeswehr almost exclusively field shock or elite infantry.

[Milky]

Originally posted by Ti:

Originally posted by Teen Male Okami:

SAS and Royal Marines don't hold a candle to SOCOM or US Marines. Their regular infantry are inferior to their American counterparts too.

The Challenger is an Abrams tank with worse ergonomics, armor, engines and armament more or less btw.

Now that's just a proof of how blatantly biased u are towards the US. Calling the SAS and Royal Marines weaker than they're US counterparts, so as calling the Challenger an "inferior" Abrams?

Are u an idiot?

The only reason I thought the US is the strongest military in the world is the fact that they have the most budget against all other countries. But training wise? I dont think so. And for the Challenger being weaker than the abrams, what proof do u have by saying this. What, is it because the abrams slaughtered thousands of iraqi t72s during the gulf wars, and the challenger didn't achieve that much kills the abrams did? (how about do some research about how many abrams and challengers were deployed during those conflicts)

You dont have any FACTS to prove ur statements. From what I say, they're all BS and u dont have any idea what ur talking about. Use ur brain. Think before u post a thread.

THANK YOU. The reason most people thing their military is the best because of the insane amount of money they put into military spending. As for the T-72 comments, they mostly defeat ed iraq and iran so quickly because of their air superiority, but yes they were mostly target practice for the M1s due to their outdated-ness.

[Landsknecht und Deutscher Ritter]

Originally posted by Darth Squirrel:

Originally posted by Teen Male Okami:

SAS and Royal Marines don't hold a candle to SOCOM or US Marines. Their regular infantry are inferior to their American counterparts too.

The Challenger is an Abrams tank with worse ergonomics, armor, engines and armament more or less btw.

The challenger is built by the British Company Alvis Vickers Ltd. and has absolutely nothing to do with the Abrams. What exactly makes you think that US Marines are superior to Royal Marines? Just wishing? Alternative facts?

The Royal Marines are a small battalion sized unit for naval policing. The US Marines are the size of a field army. Have their own tanks, aircraft, artillery and ships. Along with infantry who are all trained as light infantry and air assault.

Not even including MARSOC and Recon Marines.

[Landsknecht und Deutscher Ritter]

Originally posted by MilkyBob:

And please, just give me proof you ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ snowflake of everything you say, because then it's actually feasable.

Aw he mad.

[Landsknecht und Deutscher Ritter]

Originally posted by meanderthal:

Originally posted by Teen Male Okami:

The US has the best trained infantry on the planet. No one else has as much experience, time or resources dedicated to their infantry.

Again with the opinions and complete lack of facts/proof.

No one would argue that America does not have the resources, their military budget dwarfs that of other nations but that is no reflection on 'Training'.

Consider this ( response to your mention of time and experience) :

The Brits for example have been involved in active warfare for hundreds of years before America was even formed. They have never had a large standing army despite once having a colossal Empire. Their training of infantry is therefore based on hundreds of years of experience resulting in a relatively small but well trained army.
They are widely considered to be amongst the best trained troops around.

In terms of military power, America stands head and shoulders above any other nation but do not confuse 'power' with 'quality of training'.

At the end of the day this is a game and forces on both sides need to be balanced to promote an enjoyable and fair game for all protagonists.

Except Britains army swelled with conscripts during both world wars. Britain doesn't have the field experience in modern war or proper training.

[Landsknecht und Deutscher Ritter]

Originally posted by Ti:

Originally posted by Teen Male Okami:

SAS and Royal Marines don't hold a candle to SOCOM or US Marines. Their regular infantry are inferior to their American counterparts too.

The Challenger is an Abrams tank with worse ergonomics, armor, engines and armament more or less btw.

Now that's just a proof of how blatantly biased u are towards the US. Calling the SAS and Royal Marines weaker than they're US counterparts, so as calling the Challenger an "inferior" Abrams?

Are u an idiot?

The only reason I thought the US is the strongest military in the world is the fact that they have the most budget against all other countries. But training wise? I dont think so. And for the Challenger being weaker than the abrams, what proof do u have by saying this. What, is it because the abrams slaughtered thousands of iraqi t72s during the gulf wars, and the challenger didn't achieve that much kills the abrams did? (how about do some research about how many abrams and challengers were deployed during those conflicts)

You dont have any FACTS to prove ur statements. From what I say, they're all BS and u dont have any idea what ur talking about. Use ur brain. Think before u post a thread.

The Challenger uses a rifled gun that lowers its velocity and decreases accuracy. The engine has 300 less hp than the Abrams, it carries less ammo, has inferior optics and most of the challengers are Challenger 1 tanks that use two piece ammo.

[Tom 8]

Usa dont have best training infantry, a lot of others countries are much better. Usa only got better equmpent. And in those wars numbers you mentioned are only because of support. Nothing to deal with training. Usa infatry 1on1 get reckt by a lot of other country inf even with worst equmpent, bcu they got better training then Usa inf.

[Ti]

Originally posted by Teen Male Okami:

Originally posted by Darth Squirrel:

The challenger is built by the British Company Alvis Vickers Ltd. and has absolutely nothing to do with the Abrams. What exactly makes you think that US Marines are superior to Royal Marines? Just wishing? Alternative facts?

The Royal Marines are a small battalion sized unit for naval policing. The US Marines are the size of a field army. Have their own tanks, aircraft, artillery and ships. Along with infantry who are all trained as light infantry and air assault.

Not even including MARSOC and Recon Marines.

Infantry. INFANTRY! What we're talking here is the QUALITY OF TRAINING! We're pointing out directly for their training and basic equipments for comparison. We're not talking about the other units which supports the infantry!

See, even urself swayed away from the main topic.

[Darth Squirrel]

hahahah love this guy... his IQ must truly be singel digit

[Darth Squirrel]

i just still keep on hoping that this is just trolling because i dont want to believe that there is a huming being in the world that dumb

[meanderthal]

Can you name one thing that the Nazis had that was better than what American forces had? [/quote]

You asked for 1, i give you 5.


V2 rockets.
Me-262 Jet Fighter
HS-293 A-1 Anti ship missile
MG 34/42
Sturmgewehr 44 (Assault Rifle)

[Landsknecht und Deutscher Ritter]

Originally posted by MilkyBob:

Originally posted by Teen Male Okami:

SAS and Royal Marines don't hold a candle to SOCOM or US Marines. Their regular infantry are inferior to their American counterparts too.

The Challenger is an Abrams tank with worse ergonomics, armor, engines and armament more or less btw.

The Royal Marines invaded the falklands in less than 2 days aganist triple the amount of defenders on rocky harsh terrain which is hard to manuever in.

The SAS is the best special operations unit in the world. Their training is 10x harsher than that of the US SOCOM and NS. The SAS has had no failed operations except their first one.

The British army has the L86, L91 and 6, some of the best weapons in the world, used even by, you guessed it, the US. Same with Arctic Warfare, which produce some of the world's most known and used guns, like the AWM, AWP and many different variants of said weapons.

The British Royal Navy has hundreds and hundreds of years of tradition and tactics, basically unbeatable.

The US is so relevant today is because of it's "victory" in ww1 and ww2 (basically just discount help and then they took all the glory). The country itself has been in isolation for over 200 years and that's allowed it to get industrialized, because they don't have any enemies on their continent.

And you always have to remember, the US was just a british colony a few years ago.

The British navy got destroyed by the Japanese. They can't even get their only aircraft carrier today crewed. Their only tradition was that they kidnapped sailor and binge drank while on duty.

[Landsknecht und Deutscher Ritter]

Originally posted by meanderthal:

Can you name one thing that the Nazis had that was better than what American forces had?

You asked for 1, i give you 5.


V2 rockets.
Me-262 Jet Fighter
HS-293 A-1 Anti ship missile
MG 34/42
Sturmgewehr 44 (Assault Rifle) [/quote]


The US had strategic bombers that actually did damage. The V2 was potato powered and would miss city sized targets.

The Me-262 got destroyed by P-51 and RAF Spitfires and typhoons. It also had a engine lifespan of a few hours.

The US had Tiny Tim rockets and Naval bombers. The luftwaffle did more damage to the kriegsmarine than the Royal navy or USN.

The MG34 and MG42 were cheap and unreliable compared to the M1919, M1917 and M2 .50 the US used. They were only utilized because Germany had poorly trained conscripts that had to rely exclusively on machine guns where US and British infantry had actual riflemen.

And neither gun could be operated effectively in a heavy or vehicle mounted role like the M2 .50.

The STG-44 weighs 10lbs couldn't feed its comically long magazine if it loaded 30 rounds, couldn't mount a bayonet, rifle grenade or optic and was issued as a SMG for assault troops.

The M1 Carbine was issued to literally everyone, weighs 6lbs, didn't jam, mounted all 3 of those things and was later field modified to the M2 to operate full auto.

[Landsknecht und Deutscher Ritter]

Originally posted by Ti:

Originally posted by Teen Male Okami:

The Royal Marines are a small battalion sized unit for naval policing. The US Marines are the size of a field army. Have their own tanks, aircraft, artillery and ships. Along with infantry who are all trained as light infantry and air assault.

Not even including MARSOC and Recon Marines.

Infantry. INFANTRY! What we're talking here is the QUALITY OF TRAINING! We're pointing out directly for their training and basic equipments for comparison. We're not talking about the other units which supports the infantry!

See, even urself swayed away from the main topic.

Yeah and the Royal Marines is a small military police unit. The USMC is a specialized amphibious assault force.

[Landsknecht und Deutscher Ritter]

Originally posted by this is oldschool:

Usa dont have best training infantry, a lot of others countries are much better. Usa only got better equmpent. And in those wars numbers you mentioned are only because of support. Nothing to deal with training. Usa infatry 1on1 get reckt by a lot of other country inf even with worst equmpent, bcu they got better training then Usa inf.

Prove it.

[Malus131]

Ok, I'll bite.

Basic training for a US infantryman lasts 10 weeks.
Basic for a soldier in the British Army lasts 14 weeks.
Finland spends 5.5 to 11.5 months training their soldiers/conscripts.
Basic for French soldiers is 12 weeks, same for Germany.

And the only tradition of the Royal Navy is binge drinking?
First off, that is British tradition full stop, and not limited to the RN.
Second, binge drinking does not enable you to successfully dominate the oceans for approx. 200 years and force china to open their ports more than once so you can sell them Opium.