The end of Eugen Systems

[kenberg]

As Wargame Red Dragon was the last financially successful game from Eugen i place this here.

Act of Aggression and Steel Division: Normandy 44 are both disasters and a financial fiasco for Eugen,
But i think Eugen does not care if they are the next Lionhead Studios as they very clearly and openly refuse to make a Wargame 4 and now WGRD DLCs in 2017 in favor of financial disasters like AoA and SDN44.

As the Community for the last three years has been wanting a Wargame 4 set in modern time's.

[Viss Valdyr]

I won't buy modern times. It should stay in cold war era. This is where it excells. AoA was modern times and it failed

[DasaKamov]

DOOOOOOMMMMM...oh wait.

Originally posted by kenberg:

Act of Aggression and Steel Division: Normandy 44 are both disasters and a financial fiasco for Eugen,

Factually false. Although the end product was certainly flawed for AoA, their sales surpassed their development costs.
Steel Division is not a "fiasco" in any sense of the word.

As the Community for the last three years has been wanting a Wargame 4 set in modern time's.

Also factually false. You somehow musn't have seen the 400+ post begging Eugen to develop a WW2 game, which they managed to do while still adding revolutionary mechanics (the Frontline and Phases). Also, like VV said, the majority of loyalists want Eugen to move *away* from the modern era and return to 60s-70s Cold War theatres.

I'm also glad that Eugen is bold enough to explore new game ideas rather than becoming "just the Wargame developers", since annual iterations of the same game would cause their creative minds to seek greener pastures and would lead to a stale, unimaginative franchise.

[kenberg]

Originally posted by Viss Valdyr:

I won't buy modern times. It should stay in cold war era. This is where it excells. AoA was modern times and it failed

NATO has been in a new Cold War with Russia since 2008 and has supported proxy wars like Russo-Georgian War and the Ukrainian crisis,
So you can have both a Cold War/Modern War set in 2017+.

@DasaKamov
Frontline and Phases of SDN44 are the best take aways from SDN44 and would go great in WarGame 4
Return to 60s-70s Cold War theatres, Like giving America and Russia Nuclear artillery like the W48 set at 0.072 kilotons (72 tones) and ZBV3 set at 0.1 kilotons (100 tones) for the M114 155 mm howitzer and 152 mm towed gun-howitzer M1955 D-20.

[delta]

Originally posted by kenberg:

NATO has been in a new Cold War with Russia since 2008 and has supported proxy wars like Russo-Georgian War and the Ukrainian crisis,
So you can have both a Cold War/Modern War set in 2017+.

*cough* Russia started the new cold war, because Putin saw the corrupt oligarchies falling in Georgia and Ukraine, and he's afraid he's going to be next.

[Viss Valdyr]

Originally posted by kenberg:

NATO has been in a new Cold War with Russia since 2008 and has supported proxy wars like Russo-Georgian War and the Ukrainian crisis,
So you can have both a Cold War/Modern War set in 2017+.

still not gonna buy it. I want the "old" cold War era. No new stuff. no nuclear, just like the old wargames, with spices on top

[kenberg]

@delta
That would make a great game were Russian power is fading and NATO and China see opportunity and both make a dash for the riches in Siberia and under the Russian arctic ocean,
With Russia useing a lot of robot tanks like the Uran-9.

That would be a great game with a three way war with NATO and China fighting them selfs and Russia with Russia holding on to whatever land it has left and trying to push NATO and China out as they push back.

[Viss Valdyr]

Originally posted by kenberg:

@delta
That would make a great game were Russian power is fading and NATO and China see opportunity and both make a dash for the riches in Siberia and under the Russian arctic ocean,
With Russia useing a lot of robot tanks like the Uran-9.

That would be a great game with a three way war with NATO and China fighting them selfs and Russia with Russia holding on to whatever land it has left and trying to push NATO and China out as they push back.

Sell it under a different name. Wargame should stay where it is, so "older" units are still useable.

[kenberg]

@Viss Valdyr
Sell it under a different name. Wargame should stay where it is, so "older" units are still useable.
On a side note Russia still has somting like 5,000 T-55s and T-62s in storage,
With ww2 and post war stuff like ML-20 and Tupolev Tu-22 in storage.

Just because the first Cold War ened in 1991 does not mean that all that stuff Russia had in the 1940s-1970s is deleted from existence,
Massive amounts were put in to storage were they have been for the last 25 years.

[Viss Valdyr]

But are they still viable? That is glthe question

[kenberg]

Originally posted by Viss Valdyr:

But are they still viable? That is glthe question

I would say that less then 1,000 T-55/62s are usable at this time or can be made ready for use withing 2 months.

And as for a 1960s 1962 would be the best for a game with prototypes like T95 Medium Tank and Object 279,
M14 rifle vs AKM and Convair B-58 Hustler and Tupolev Tu-22 nuclear bombers.

[#FIN Suojeluskunta]

Originally posted by Viss Valdyr:

I won't buy modern times. It should stay in cold war era. This is where it excells. AoA was modern times and it failed

I think AoA failed because it was a new idea.

Eugen's fans have tried to show them that honestly, their other games are not bad, but they hit almost everything right with Wargame and any major changes they've tried may have worked or not worked, but still didn't outshine Wargame.

I would love a modern Wargame, maybe 2010. I don't think it would need any major changes besides adding Iran, possibly Syria. 2 REDFOR nations one with a bit of homegrown but a lot of Russian units and a few American, the other heavily Russian. 2 different deck styles. 2 NATO nations could be Turkey and if people do not want something like Saudi Arabia/Jordan because they aren't really in NATO, a nation like Italy or Spain could be added even though they aren't really in the current conflict.

Naval could be overhauled and possibly a new game mode or overhauled conquest maps that don't seem like an afterthought

[ColonelWilson]

I would rather get a game from the Cold War that happened in the 20th century, even if it isn't like Wargame. In a world where Paranoia was so high, that sometimes you would think your best friend or your family were communists ( if you were in the West ). Plus Wargame is basically a game that asks " what if ", and then makes it fun for players to be commanders of Military forces. If one would happen about modern day, would probably be something like US vs Iraq, or Russia vs Georgia ( the country ).

[∆ s t e я o i ∂ e]

Your answer is here.
http://steamcommunity.com/app/251060/discussions/0/1471966894886866524/

[Viss Valdyr]

Originally posted by ∆ s t e я o i ∂ e:

Your answer is here.
http://steamcommunity.com/app/251060/discussions/0/1471966894886866524/

would be nice to contribute to the topic at hand, instead of just spaming some ♥♥♥♥ noone cares about.

[kenberg]

I dont see Eugen recovering from SDN44 and if it some how does it will be 2 or 3 years befor thay make a new game just like AoA it toke 2 years after that disaster to make SDN44.