What's the deal with angel deals?

[Slightly Dubious Owl]

I NEVER get them for some reason, 50% chance and waited for the entire game to get the keys, nope you just get 1 (which is suppose to increase chances) and then nothing else except devil deals... wtf?

[Nazemec]

The first % is the chance to get any deal.
The second % is the chance to get an Angel instead of a Devil if you get a deal.

So if you have 3% and 50% as the displayed chances, you actually have overall 1.5% chance to get a Devil deal and 1.5% to get an Angel room.

Once you take a Devil Deal in a run, you can't get any Angel for the rest of that run, no matter how many "improve Angel chance" things you get.

[Slightly Dubious Owl]

Originally posted by Nazemec:

The first % is the chance to get any deal.
The second % is the chance to get an Angel instead of a Devil if you get a deal.

So if you have 3% and 50% as the displayed chances, you actually have overall 1.5% chance to get a Devil deal and 1.5% to get an Angel room.

Once you take a Devil Deal in a run, you can't get any Angel for the rest of that run, no matter how many "improve Angel chance" things you get.

I never take devil deals if I'm trying to go angel, but I still only get angel rooms one time for the entire run.

[Nazemec]

Originally posted by Owls??????:

I never take devil deals if I'm trying to go angel, but I still only get angel rooms one time for the entire run.

That's bad RNG.
Keep in mind the first two lines of my previous post though, just in case you focused on the last one for some reason.

[Ersbon]

If you want to improve your odds, I know that starting in Afterbirth you can increase their spawn rate with the sacrifice room. That's also reliant on RNG, but it will swing the outcome further in your favor. Additionally, they're guaranteed to pay out with both key pieces; that can be an easy way to get them even without taking angel deals.

[The Renderer]

It's not bad RNG, it's simply bad luck. I know, that's what you meant, Naz, but "bad RNG" implies it's the game's fault for having a broken RNG. Which it doesn't.

[Ersbon]

Originally posted by The Renderer:

It's not bad RNG, it's simply bad luck. I know, that's what you meant, Naz, but "bad RNG" implies it's the game's fault for having a broken RNG. Which it doesn't.

Oh, I always just read those two as the same. Didn't think that it reflected poorly on the game or anything.

[Nazemec]

Originally posted by Ersbon:

Originally posted by The Renderer:

It's not bad RNG, it's simply bad luck. I know, that's what you meant, Naz, but "bad RNG" implies it's the game's fault for having a broken RNG. Which it doesn't.

Oh, I always just read those two as the same. Didn't think that it reflected poorly on the game or anything.

I also always read both as the same thing. "Bad luck at RNG" if you prefer.
If I wanted to blame the game itself, trust me, I'd be much more direct than that.

[Zoobi]

Originally posted by Owls??????:

I NEVER get them for some reason, 50% chance and waited for the entire game to get the keys, nope you just get 1 (which is suppose to increase chances) and then nothing else except devil deals... wtf?

You could ignore the first devil deal option and pay the donation machine in the shop at least 10 coins to bump up an extra 25%, and you can bomb the devil beggers for an extra chance. If youre lucky enough you can find the super secret room with an angel statue in it, bomb it and get the key for an extra chance, as well as finding the trinket (i forgot what its called) that increases angel deal chances.

[The Renderer]

Originally posted by Nazemec:

Originally posted by Ersbon:

Oh, I always just read those two as the same. Didn't think that it reflected poorly on the game or anything.

I also always read both as the same thing. "Bad luck at RNG" if you prefer.
If I wanted to blame the game itself, trust me, I'd be much more direct than that. :dip:

I know, I know, just wanted to clarify since for games like XCOM people always scream "bad RNG" and actually mean that it's broken in the game.

So the best way to get an angel deal is to do what LilyAndRobbGodZ says above but whether you actually get one is still random and there always will be streaks where you feel like it isn't working correctly, but that's just the way it is.

Unless you have mods installed that might have broken things.

[FrozenStar]

Avoid red heart damage, especially during boss fights. That's the key.

[The Renderer]

Originally posted by FrozenStar:

Avoid red heart damage, especially during boss fights. That's the key.

No, that's the key to getting any deal, has nothing to do with whether you get a devil or an angel room.

[Drax]

Originally posted by The Renderer:

Originally posted by FrozenStar:

Avoid red heart damage, especially during boss fights. That's the key.

No, that's the key to getting any deal, has nothing to do with whether you get a devil or an angel room.

The chance of getting any deal has nothing to do with getting a devil or angel deal? Makes sense...

It has everything to do with it. For the angel room to spawn you must have rejected a previous devil room. Meaning it appeared and you didn't make a deal there. That's one reason. Then, every time after that, you have a chance of getting an angel room instead of a devil room when you get a chance at a deal. That's the second reason. Increasing the number of deals you get, and increasing the chance of a deal being an angel room, BOTH directly contribute to the chance of getting an angel deal at all during a run.

Which game do you have better odds at winning? One with a 11% chance? Or one with a 10% chance you can play three times?

[The Renderer]

OP specifically says he keeps getting devil rooms instead of angel rooms. Meaning he has no problem getting deal rooms in general. Meaning the whole red heart thing is known to him and irrelevant here. Maybe next time read the question.

[GamerGuyMike]

like some other people said its just bad luck, wont lie i've had runs myself where i will go for angel deals and they just dont show up, even had one run where two deal with the devils showed up after each other.

[Dr. Curien]

haha f*ck y'all