How do I win with ??? *spoilers*

[april6e]

So I suck at this game and cannot win runs with the troll characters that don't have any permanent hearts because I get hit too often. With any other character, I'm fine and consistently beat Mom's Heart/Satan. Much annoyance I feel.

Besides obvious tips (blow up tinted rocks, etc.)....

1. What items should I unlock to make it easier to reach Issac as ??? What are common items one comes across on most runs that are vital to surviving with ???

2. What rooms are most useful to ??? Should I be abusing stores, arcade, curse rooms, etc?

[ItsRay]

Dark Bum, Mitre, Book of Revelations, Satanic Bible, Mom's Pearl, Devils Tail

If you have a spacebar item aka Book of Revelations or Satanic Bible obviously 9volt and aaa battery trinket will help

[hockeyhacker97]

Dark Bum is great for Blue Baby (aka ???). If your early in the run or if you have enough hearts Curse Rooms are normally fairly good. But the very best item for any character, but specially ??? is Holy Mantle, it makes it so every room you can get hit once without taking damage, which is a good as it sounds but also means that you can visit curse rooms without taking damage, just make sure its active before entering the curse room, and then make sure your not blinking still when leaving the curse room. It's passive, normally in Angel rooms but can also spawn in treasure rooms, and it can turn a run that isn't looking so great into a won run really quickly.

Edit: And you don't have to do anything special to unlock the item, it is in the defualt item pool, so if you get a good seed you can find it as early as your first run... obviously you have to get lucky finding it since doing a seeded run to guarenty the item showing up prevents Secrets from unlocking, and so even if I told you a seed that has Holy Mantel in the first item room so you could easily win with ??? with it, you wouldn't unlock the D6... but if you want the seed so you can practice with it,


6P1J 6LPH - First treasure room next to spawn (PC)
PNRM W8RS - First treasure room (VITA)
V7FN NS9N - First treasure room (PS4)

[Momizi]

i was able to beat it with blank card and herophant with nuns habet

also try to unlock the polirod before trying any ??? runs it helps greatly after the mom fight

and pray for 6 sided dice rooms
the one that helped me have me trippleshot mega fetus ( witch btw was fun as heck)

also try out some chanlanges, the prices help out greatly for most runs

[hockeyhacker97]

I unlocked the D6 on my ??? Cathedral run, I was having an alright run, but didn't look good for the Cathedral, then I think it was on the Womb that I got Holy Mantle and from that point my Spirit Hearts grew from 3.5 to 12 and I just tanked Isaac for the win, won with only 3 hearts remaining because of lazy dodging, but Holy Mantle carried that run.

[EvilShootMe]

In theory ( I've never tested it, but I did see somenoe get it), Dark Bum + Little Chad is a super op combo. For that you need to unlock chad ( which I can't remember how it's done). You should also unlock the relic (it's one of Maggy's unlocks, either for killing Isaac or Satan).

Stores now seem to reliably have blue hearts, so check them out if you're a little low. Arcardes and self sacrifices rooms don't have much value, but curse rooms are pretty good. If you can beat bosses consistently without taking damage, go to boss gauntlet rooms. While their rewards are not as nice as they used to be in WotL, they usually have a good payout.

If you can get the left hand trinket, you should keep it. Red chests are risky, but they can pay out with double blue hearts.

As a decent blue baby player, I can tell you that the first 2 floors are primordial, and you should focus on gathering as much health as possible. Since you will always have a deal with the devil after the second boss fight, you need to be sure you have 3 blue hearts to spare. So I would not advise going for the first curse rooms, unless you can spare a blue heart. Perfecting those floors is also very important.

For the deals with the devil, unless you get uber tems like brimstone and mom's knife, focus more on mobility and survivability items. (void the familiars which are terrible value). Exceptions are made for the pact and the mark, which refund a part of their cost on pickup (making them cost respectively 1 and 2 blue hearts instead of the usual 3).

Edit : If you have a lot of bombs on the depths or necropolis floors, blow up the blue and purple fires. They sometimes drop blue hearts. And the skulls can (rarely) drop black hearts.

One last thing. With blue baby, the polaroid will give you a small period of invincibility everytime you get hit. If you feel your run is not going super well (low life, or not as much damage as expected), take it and go for a chest run.