Eden Tokens?

[Absolute Unit 731]

So the point of Eden is you have to spend a token every time you play as them? That's the dumbest thing ever. So unless you stack those coins you can just play as he over and over?

[RezTrig]

If you win as him then you get a token back so technically you only need 1 if you are really good plus if you want to get the rest of the unlocks in the game you will be getting plently of tokens for him

[Absolute Unit 731]

Does he like reroll or something? That's the only thng that would make sense to me.

[GO LITTLE MAN, GO!!!]

Eden's stats, starter items and trinket items are ramdomized each time you play as him.

The tokens are to prevent players from replaying Eden over and over and over again until they get a good starter item and stats.

[Soverine]

A few reasons I don't see a problem with this.
A.) There's many characters in the game, and Eden's really not all that interesting past the first few runs on him. He starts with 1 random passive item and 1 active item, and this often ends up being on par with playing, say, Isaac and walking into the first item room. The draw is the random items.

B.) On the note of random passive/space bar, you could literally just keep starting over to get whatever items you wanted, and skip all the terrible runs. Whats the point of random runs if there is no risk?

C.) Tokens are received from winning runs. With any character. You're probably going to want to play characters other then Eden, a lot. You'll be getting a lot of tokens. And if you never lose, you never run out of tokens. Sure, it might be asking a lot, but you don't need to play as just Eden, and other characters are just as interesting, especially once you unlock the D6.

Reason B is the biggest reason that this is why it works the way it does.

[Absolute Unit 731]

Well my complaint is that I quit a run with Eden in the first room cause I just wanted to see what it did. So I like wasted my one and only token. I think if you just quit a run it should give you back your token.

[JudasofBelial]

Originally posted by Lifeless Loser:

Well my complaint is that I quit a run with Eden in the first room cause I just wanted to see what it did. So I like wasted my one and only token. I think if you just quit a run it should give you back your token.

You quit it? You know you can go to the continue option on the menu and keep playing your run right?

Also, if quitting let you get your token back, people would just restart until they had a good run.

[GO LITTLE MAN, GO!!!]

Originally posted by Lifeless Loser:

Well my complaint is that I quit a run with Eden in the first room cause I just wanted to see what it did. So I like wasted my one and only token. I think if you just quit a run it should give you back your token.

Then that would destroy the purpose of tokens altogether.

It's like putting a quarter in an arcade game just to see what it was like, then quitting it once you got your answer expecting to get your quarter back.

[Absolute Unit 731]

I think you should jsut be able to get an inf token. Like from doing something super hard. Like beating the whole game as ??? with no pick ups or something. Why not?

[GO LITTLE MAN, GO!!!]

Originally posted by Lifeless Loser:

I think you should jsut be able to get an inf token. Like from doing something super hard. Like beating the whole game as ??? with no pick ups or something. Why not?

I think that would just be too much work for the devs to keep track of haha.

Eden can be the easiest character to play as and I'm sure Ed wasn't going for that with him. Ed wanted Eden to be a, "Test your luck" kind of character. Getting any chance at all to replay the character over and over again wanting good stats with no risk involved isn't lucky at all.

Earning your tokens to do such a thing seemed more fair in place.

[Soverine]

Originally posted by Lifeless Loser:

I think you should jsut be able to get an inf token. Like from doing something super hard. Like beating the whole game as ??? with no pick ups or something. Why not?

Because by that point, you'd already have dozens of tokens, and then it'd just be cheesy. Its not necessary. You'll get more opportunities, and will quickly not know what to do with them, assuming you are/get good. If you're bad, and remain so, then the game's punishing you for poor play. That's not uncommon.

[Moonfang]

Shouldn't be tokens, it should be a certain minute cooldown.

[GO LITTLE MAN, GO!!!]

Originally posted by Moonfang the Spore Overlord:

Shouldn't be tokens, it should be a certain minute cooldown.

That's interesting. I guess 10 minute cooldown wouldn't hurt. Then again, earning the tokens does feel a little more rewarding.

[ArutheArrow]

Originally posted by Moonfang the Spore Overlord:

Shouldn't be tokens, it should be a certain minute cooldown.

yeah exactly, like 1 day cooldown as challenge in Spelunky! No better, 1 month cooldown :D

I really don't understand why you're crying about Tokens. I use 2 times eden just to see. I bet the game 10 time yet, so I have 8 tokens. I have 45% of all achievment.
So if I take all the other characters with the only aim to kill Isaac and Satan, I think I will have more than 20 token... so 20 run just for eden... and I don't talk about ??? and the new level.

So I don't see the problem... ANd If you want token, juste take Azazel, he seems to be overcheated :D

[Der abscheuliche Löwe]

Its ok when you get good and win every run xD (im not)

[Luftwaffle]

Originally posted by Lifeless Loser:

Does he like reroll or something? That's the only thng that would make sense to me.

He rolls randomly every time you start a game with him. The exact reason he uses tokens so you can't just quit and reroll him til you get really good stuff.

Originally posted by Moonfang the Spore Overlord:

Shouldn't be tokens, it should be a certain minute cooldown.

So if you die or win before the time is up you can't play him? It's even worse than tokens. Tokens are better.