An Underrepresented Issue with Repentance

[ZomB Chkn]

Hey all, so I'm not exactly *good* at this game. Never really have been. I've been at 360 hours for a while now, and never really got the hang of the game. I was able to beat up Mega Satan pretty easily, but I always did so *slowly.* I won eventually, but I took a fair while. Obviously, this made the Hush a very aggravating boss for me. Not only am I not really good enough to take him down, but I also had issues with having to speed through rooms to reach him. As such, I beat him a grand total of one time before shelving the game for a *very* long time. I'd had my fun with it, but the Hush felt way more annoying to deal with than fun. So, now, here comes the new DLC, and I'm ultra-excited for it. Then, I start playing and start wondering where all the new content is. Sure, there's the occasional new enemy on a few floors, but after completing a Chest run with Bethany (some of the only content I was able to unlock), I found nothing different. Right when I felt like I didn't have the DLC enabled or something, I went on to check how to unlock the stuff, and as it turns out you have to beat the Hush three times to unlock any of the new content. I think this is absolutely terrible. I understand restricting some end-game mechanics for the end-game and all, but generally once you've beaten that end-game thing, you should have access to those mechanics. I've beaten the Hush, I don't wanna have to slog down and do that again for hours before I can even begin to play what I paid for. I'm beginning to think a refund might be necessary here, if possible.

TL;DR: Not new to the game, but was always ass at it. Only ever beat Hush once, and am now not able to get to any of the new content without beating him two more times. Am salty, considering refund.

[Emboric]

Wait, how can someone be at 360 hours for a while?

This player is a time wizard.

But in all seriousness, a possible solution could be to use the Remote Play feature and have someone good enough and kind enough to run through Hush with you a few times.

[Deathwing Zero]

Honestly, if you're at least enjoying the game I would say to just play some more. Get unlocks for characters, just whatever you can manage. You'll pick it up. Having said that, however, if you think things being locked behind Hush is a deal breaker you're going to absolutely hate the new floors. To get to the first one you need 1 key. To get to the second one you will need 2 bombs. To get to the third one you will need at minimum 2.5 hearts as you need 2 hearts to open the door, and it WILL kill you if you don't have enough. You'll have to do this with every single character, every single time.

[Fio]

I gotta agree. I think the new difficulty kind of tends itself to having the alt floors available.

The early game needs a serious re-assessing of content, there's too much grinding that compounds. It takes way too much grinding to get to the chest and the dark room. It's especially strange since you can beat Hush after beating Mom's Heart 10 times, and Hush both unlocks the alt path while also being harder IMO than both ??? and The Lamb.

I think they should lock The Corpse behind The Chest/The Dark Room/Hush/Delirium and let you use the alt floors earlier in a save file.

[ZomB Chkn]

Originally posted by Emboric:

Wait, how can someone be at 360 hours for a while?

This player is a time wizard.

But in all seriousness, a possible solution could be to use the Remote Play feature and have someone good enough and kind enough to run through Hush with you a few times.

Can confirm; am time wizard. In all seriousness though, as mentioned later, I hit 360 and shelved the game for a good damn while. Hence, been at 360 for a while. Oh, also, my internet is ass. Upload speed can't handle Remote Play.

Originally posted by Deathwing Zero:

however, if you think things being locked behind Hush is a deal breaker you're going to absolutely hate the new floors. To get to the first one you need 1 key. To get to the second one you will need 2 bombs. To get to the third one you will need at minimum 2.5 hearts as you need 2 hearts to open the door, and it WILL kill you if you don't have enough. You'll have to do this with every single character, every single time.

Tbh that's fine. I played Antibirth for a good while, so I'm used to a couple of those requirements, and I'm used to Antibirth's difficulty. I just really don't like the time rush required to beat the Hush in combination with the newfound difficulty that comes with even base Repentance.

[Gregor]

MAn.

After having had 100% of achievements.

And didn't play for a while.

I tell you things are more terrible then before.

That Mother is no MoM

and those new passageways, why not aim for Gnawed Leaf + Daddy longlegs instead of all that trouble.

But I tell you.

Delirium felt easier as I encountered it first.

I'm less far then other people who seem to have played less.

But this game is just not the same.

And Hush , should and would still be something else, then this new area , which allows for at least +5 minutes for a bossrush.....

Consider it, if you've got 10 minutes between Bossrush and Hush, and it was often possible to manage both and after that Aim for Delirium, like that was a qualifier to be able to.

If you can't beat hush I wonder how many attempts you need for that thing, besides the paths....

and if it's a onetrickwonder on each character or a struggle that looks for its equal....

[Deathwing Zero]

In that case I'd say go with my primary advice, if you're enjoying the game just play, you'll get it. I did, and I have a particular penchant for dodging shots by way of slapping my face directly into them, and I still manage. Hell, I have all of the Lost AND Keeper unlocks on hard mode.

[Gregor]

Originally posted by bunger:

. I just really don't like the time rush required to beat the Hush in combination with the newfound difficulty that comes with even base Repentance.

30 minutes to and past "It Lives" should be within Reach, and if you've had done that already, you'd have that alpaths already unlocked like I did.

[ZomB Chkn]

Originally posted by Gregor:

Originally posted by bunger:

. I just really don't like the time rush required to beat the Hush in combination with the newfound difficulty that comes with even base Repentance.

30 minutes to and past "It Lives" should be within Reach, and if you've had done that already, you'd have that alpaths already unlocked like I did.

I've done this already, yes. But the game requires you to beat Hush *three times* before you can have the alt paths open. If it were once, there wouldn't really be an issue, 'cause I've done it before and wouldn't have to care about the Hush anymore.

Originally posted by Deathwing Zero:

In that case I'd say go with my primary advice, if you're enjoying the game just play, you'll get it. I did, and I have a particular penchant for dodging shots by way of slapping my face directly into them, and I still manage. Hell, I have all of the Lost AND Keeper unlocks on hard mode.

Ha, if you've got the Lost and Keeper unlocks on hardmode, you're probably a fair bit better than me regardless. Thanks for the advice, though!

[Gregor]

Originally posted by Gregor:

Originally posted by bunger:

I've done this already, yes. But the game requires you to beat Hush *three times* before you can have the alt paths open. If it were once, there wouldn't really be an issue, 'cause I've done it before and wouldn't have to care about the Hush anymore.

No it doesn'T.

I haven't taken down Hush a single time since the release and tried myself some times on the alt paths.....

And btw.

I've gotten the Achievement you refer to, as I've cleared 3 times the Alt path in Dross or Downpour.
Edit : (Why does Dross or Downpour not equal ??? in that regard, as you might not even know the name of the area.)

(I delete the prior post.)

[ZomB Chkn]

Originally posted by Gregor:

No it doesn'T.

I haven't taken down Hush a single time since the release and tried myself some times on the alt paths.....

Uh...
https://www.reddit.com/r/bindingofisaac/comments/mhh96l/how_do_i_unlock_the_alternate_floors_for/
https://www.reddit.com/r/bindingofisaac/comments/mh62au/having_to_unlock_the_new_floors_first_is_super/
https://www.reddit.com/r/bindingofisaac/comments/mhfnum/how_to_unlock_alt_path/

Not sure what's going with you, but uh, yeah. You definitely do have to do that.

[Gregor]

Originally posted by bunger:

Originally posted by Gregor:

No it doesn'T.

I haven't taken down Hush a single time since the release and tried myself some times on the alt paths.....

Uh...
https://www.reddit.com/r/bindingofisaac/comments/mhh96l/how_do_i_unlock_the_alternate_floors_for/
https://www.reddit.com/r/bindingofisaac/comments/mh62au/having_to_unlock_the_new_floors_first_is_super/
https://www.reddit.com/r/bindingofisaac/comments/mhfnum/how_to_unlock_alt_path/

Not sure what's going with you, but uh, yeah.

Before I look at it: That's my experience from playing.

[Gregor]

Originally posted by Gregor:

Originally posted by bunger:

Uh...
https://www.reddit.com/r/bindingofisaac/comments/mhh96l/how_do_i_unlock_the_alternate_floors_for/
https://www.reddit.com/r/bindingofisaac/comments/mh62au/having_to_unlock_the_new_floors_first_is_super/
https://www.reddit.com/r/bindingofisaac/comments/mhfnum/how_to_unlock_alt_path/

Not sure what's going with you, but uh, yeah.

Before I look at it: That's my experience from playing.

And as mentioned with prior 100% unlocks I've done that.

And I've had the door to Dross right from the "get go".

No arguement.

Is it a fault of coding ? or a benefit of 100% prior to it.

[weiss]

oh god, i see it comming that this topic turns into a new repentance is not fun topic where everyone complains how hard the game now is x.x

[Gregor]

Originally posted by Chiro:

oh god, i see it comming that this topic turns into a new repentance is not fun topic where everyone complains how hard the game now is x.x

I'm the issue not the game....