What items shouldn't you take from a devil room and which items should you get?

[Fentanyl Floyd]

Like, I saw the Maw of the void, but I thougth it was a different item.

Brotherbobby and sister maggy are two obvious ones. What else?

[_dave]

Just don't take Brother Bobby and Sister Maggy.

[Quantuis]

Imo things what you need to get: incubus, brimstone, mom's knife, abbadon, all DMG up. Most useless items are: familiars (only incubus, succubus and dark bum are good and lil brimstone), wntgd (we need to go deeper)

[CitizenofZozo]

Never take books, with the exception being Satanic Bible and (sometimes) Book of Sin
Never take Brother Bobby unless you're trying to just get rid of all your red hearts and there's nothing else.
Never take the Shovel (We need to go deeper)
I've never taken the Razor in a devil Deal, but I can see it being useful in some situations

Always take Ceremonial Robes and Abaddon
Almost always take the Pact and the Mark
Almost always take Brimstone.

All the others are pretty situational.

[Fentanyl Floyd]

Originally posted by CitizenofZozo:

Never take books, with the exception being Satanic Bible and (sometimes) Book of Sin
Never take Brother Bobby unless you're trying to just get rid of all your red hearts and there's nothing else.
Never take the Shovel (We need to go deeper)
I've never taken the Razor in a devil Deal, but I can see it being useful in some situations

Always take Ceremonial Robes and Abaddon
Almost always take the Pact and the Mark
Almost always take Brimstone.

All the others are pretty situational.

What about taking Abodden when I'm playing as magdelene with 7 heart containers?

[JellyPuff]

I'd still take the bro and the sis, if i lack damage. hell, i'd take 'em just for funzies.
I mean, if there's nothing else on satan-sale, where else to spend all these useless heart containers?

"We need to go deeper" *could* be useful, if using it would fully count as a "completed level" in the game, which it sadly does not.
So stay away from it, unless you want to speedrun.

Obvious "must take" choices would be any guppy-item and damage-ups. The latter usually gives you some dark/soul hearts anyways.

[PKblaze]

These are also garbo:
Ghost Baby
Missing page 2
Sister Maggy and Brother Bobby as stated
Necronomicon

There are some meh ones too
Black Powder
Betrayal
Cambion Conception (Namely cause of the number of hits it requires, though you can pull it off)
Demon Baby
Guppies Collar - Not all that useful, only good cause guppy.
Guppies Hairball - same as the collar really
My Shadow
Judas' Shadow - It's good but bad if you're after a certain goal as a character
Lord of the pit - Should be cheaper, there's better flight items, though it can be useful.
Headless Baby
We Need to go Deeper

Everything else in the pool is good - amazing.

[Smakit]

Originally posted by Jellypuff:

I'd still take the bro and the sis, if i lack damage. hell, i'd take 'em just for funzies.
I mean, if there's nothing else on satan-sale, where else to spend all these useless heart containers?

I usually do, too, though I will admit it can screw up things in a very, very minor way. If you are having one of those unlikely really weak damage runs and happen upon a lil brimstone, I would much rather have him next to me for aiming.

Having a long string of mostly useless companions (bro/sis/chad/etc) and forcing him to the end can make it rather annoying to aim, especially near the edges of the screen as you try to pile them up.

Of course that's a pretty rare thing, so yeah, it usually doesn't matter =P

[Hannah Montana]

Razor Blade, Book of Sin, Necronomicon, We Need to Go Deeper, Gimpy, Headless Baby, Missing Page 2, Lord of the Pit (Not worth it for two hearts), Empty Vessel, Cambion Conception, Betrayal, and Athame are the main ones I'd avoid. The Pact is not worth two hearts in most runs even with the soul heart exchange since it's a mediocre damage/tears up. Spirit of the Night is fairly garbage since there are better and less costly flights (and spectral is whatever). Most familiars outside of Rotten Baby, Lil Brim, and Incubus I'd also avoid but some have their uses in some builds. Then again, that could be said for most of the items.

That said you should always take a deal if your deals aren't locked in yet.

[PKblaze]

Originally posted by Hannah Montana:

Razor Blade, Book of Sin, Necronomicon, We Need to Go Deeper, Gimpy, Headless Baby, Missing Page 2, Lord of the Pit (Not worth it for two hearts), Empty Vessel, Cambion Conception, Betrayal, and Athame are the main ones I'd avoid. The Pact is not worth two hearts in most runs even with the soul heart exchange since it's a mediocre damage/tears up. Spirit of the Night is fairly garbage since there are better and less costly flights (and spectral is whatever). Most familiars outside of Rotten Baby, Lil Brim, and Incubus I'd also avoid but some have their uses in some builds. Then again, that could be said for most of the items.

That said you should always take a deal if your deals aren't locked in yet.

WHY WOULD YOU AVOID GIMPY!

Gimpy is op.
Everytime you get hit you have a chance to drop a spirit heart and enemies that you kill can drop half red hearts.

I would also make a case for the pact and athame as they are both pretty good in my opinion.

[-N]

Book of Sin is normally meh, but getting it in the first floor or two of Greed mode is super useful for most characters outside of Eve and Lilith. I'd even consider swapping out Isaac's d6 for it, because a reroll once per floor is pretty weak in that mode.

Agreed on taking lousy familiars being annoying when it screws up your chain of babies. As Lilith I'd rather have two Incubi right next to me rather than the second being at the end of a long chain.

[Fentanyl Floyd]

Originally posted by Hannah Montana:

Razor Blade, Book of Sin, Necronomicon, We Need to Go Deeper, Gimpy, Headless Baby, Missing Page 2, Lord of the Pit (Not worth it for two hearts), Empty Vessel, Cambion Conception, Betrayal, and Athame are the main ones I'd avoid. The Pact is not worth two hearts in most runs even with the soul heart exchange since it's a mediocre damage/tears up. Spirit of the Night is fairly garbage since there are better and less costly flights (and spectral is whatever). Most familiars outside of Rotten Baby, Lil Brim, and Incubus I'd also avoid but some have their uses in some builds. Then again, that could be said for most of the items.

That said you should always take a deal if your deals aren't locked in yet.

Well, would it be wise to get lord of the pit with Magdalene, seeing that the only reason I hate her is because of her speed?

[Fentanyl Floyd]

Originally posted by Hannah Montana:

Razor Blade, Book of Sin, Necronomicon, We Need to Go Deeper, Gimpy, Headless Baby, Missing Page 2, Lord of the Pit (Not worth it for two hearts), Empty Vessel, Cambion Conception, Betrayal, and Athame are the main ones I'd avoid. The Pact is not worth two hearts in most runs even with the soul heart exchange since it's a mediocre damage/tears up. Spirit of the Night is fairly garbage since there are better and less costly flights (and spectral is whatever). Most familiars outside of Rotten Baby, Lil Brim, and Incubus I'd also avoid but some have their uses in some builds. Then again, that could be said for most of the items.

That said you should always take a deal if your deals aren't locked in yet.

And also, even though the pact isn't worth it for you, wouldn't it still count towards the Chitlu Transformation?

[PKblaze]

Originally posted by Sup there:

Well, would it be wise to get lord of the pit with Magdalene, seeing that the only reason I hate her is because of her speed?

And also, even though the pact isn't worth it for you, wouldn't it still count towards the Chitlu Transformation? [/quote]

Well to be honest. You can make a case for any item in situations. Lord of the pit as Maggy could be one of those. I'd pass on it.
As for the pact, yeah, it adds to the Leviathan transformation. tbh though, the Pact is pretty good imo.

[Fentanyl Floyd]

I've heard that the transformation for Leviathan was termed chitulu or something like that. What is the actual term?

[SLima]

All of the devil room items have some sort of use. Obviously there are some that are simply much better, but just because the others aren't that good doesn't mean they are useless. Except for Missing Page 2. It's basically a black heart. You pretty much never get the necronomicon effect and when you get it, it is because you are about to die.