The 'stupid' challenges

[Tim]

As you know, some challenges in this game are otherwise hard or just stupid. You know which challenges I'm refering to...'Speed' 'The Guadian' and things like that. Let's take this thread to discuss buffs or nerfs to these idiotic challenges. Also, in Adoption (I call it that ^_^) What is your favorite item so far? Mine...the Battery Buddy <3

[Bloodyfish]

Just because you can't do it doesn't mean the challenge needs to change. It's supposed to be a challenge.

[Tim]

Originally posted by Bloodyfish:

Just because you can't do it doesn't mean the challenge needs to change. It's supposed to be a challenge.

Nah, Im fine with all of them lol

[Mallix]

The Guardian is an awesome and fun challenge, I really hope they keep it as it is!

[Lurlios]

Originally posted by Bloodyfish:

Just because you can't do it doesn't mean the challenge needs to change. It's supposed to be a challenge.

Speed! is not a challenge actually, it's really easy if you get any op build, and undoable in the other case, their is no skill involved in it, juste pure rng "hold r until you get an op item".
Because of that it should really be rebalanced

[SakuraKoi]

Originally posted by Bloodyfish:

Just because you can't do it doesn't mean the challenge needs to change. It's supposed to be a challenge.

It is owrth mentioning however that just because something is hard and as such a challenge does make it necessarily fair. Making one rely too much on luck or breaking the game and not on something like skill is just bad game design and obviously such should be changed appropriately then.

For the Speed! Challenge it would just be logical to adjust ones speeds as well
while for the Guardian Challenge RNG should not make the protege die instantly, either adjust the AI to actually avoid hazards or give it actually some invincibility frames at least.

[Magical Purple Man]

Fun fact, you can't hurt satan at all with kamikazi, so if you have no alternate way of attacking him you're ♥♥♥♥♥♥ in the Blue Bomber challenge.
I wish I was joking.

[Caetor]

Originally posted by Magical Purple Man:

Fun fact, you can't hurt satan at all with kamikazi, so if you have no alternate way of attacking him you're ♥♥♥♥♥♥.
I wish I was joking.

Haha! I wish I went to Satan!
...I killed Hush. I regret everything.

[SebShifter twitch.tv/sebshifter]

I'm fine with pretty much every challenge except for brains. This thing is awful, it like they thought " Yeah, let's make a challenge where the only thing you can use is the most unprecise backfiring weapon in the game, and you must do it while being the only character that cannot get red hearts, and oh, you also need to beat the chest while doing so ".
I just don't understand how easier challenges like " have a heart " just ends at mom's heart, whereas this unfair thing wants your to beat the chest ! Seems kinda unbalanced to me.

Anyway i wouldn't be complaining about this if it wasn't for the fact that the brains just don't work like they should. Not only is it a pain in the ass that they take forever to reappear ( making you defenseless ) but even if you have your 3 brains ready to shoot, they just refuse to do so. When you enter a room, you want to use them as quick as possible to kill the ennemies before they get to you, but you can't even do that, because when you enter a room, you gotta wait for like 2 whole seconds before this things decide to react ! And it's the same thing when they reappear : you see the sprite reappearing at isaac's side, but it just won't launch right away, of course, i guess he's just waiting to get damaged before deciding to do something.

I got to the chest with full health, and got gangraped, because this weaponry is complete, garbage. I have nothing against challenge, i've beaten every other challenge in the list, but those stupid brains' fire delay need to be fixed.

[derw4tz]

i tought the same.... that speed is unwinnable

just get a good carry item at the begining (reroll until you get one) i was basically caried by tech .5

guardian is all about damage and speed ups... leav rooms with spikes asap (always had a teleport somewhere card with me in case the little brat was about to walk into spikes)

[Thembo Timbo]

Originally posted by Last Train to Bucketheadland:

I'm fine with pretty much every challenge except for brains. This thing is awful, it like they thought " Yeah, let's make a challenge where the only thing you can use is the most unprecise backfiring weapon in the game, and you must do it while being the only character that cannot get red hearts, and oh, you also need to beat the chest while doing so ".
I just don't understand how easier challenges like " have a heart " just ends at mom's heart, whereas this unfair thing wants your to beat the chest ! Seems kinda unbalanced to me.

Anyway i wouldn't be complaining about this if it wasn't for the fact that the brains just don't work like they should. Not only is it a pain in the ass that they take forever to reappear ( making you defenseless ) but even if you have your 3 brains ready to shoot, they just refuse to do so. When you enter a room, you want to use them as quick as possible to kill the ennemies before they get to you, but you can't even do that, because when you enter a room, you gotta wait for like 2 whole seconds before this things decide to react ! And it's the same thing when they reappear : you see the sprite reappearing at isaac's side, but it just won't launch right away, of course, i guess he's just waiting to get damaged before deciding to do something.

I got to the chest with full health, and got gangraped, because this weaponry is complete, garbage. I have nothing against challenge, i've beaten every other challenge in the list, but those stupid brains' fire delay need to be fixed.

It took me 120 minutes to finish this challenge mostly due to waiting for the brains to respawn.

[Tim]

Originally posted by Magical Purple Man:

Fun fact, you can't hurt satan at all with kamikazi, so if you have no alternate way of attacking him you're ♥♥♥♥♥♥ in the Blue Bomber challenge.
I wish I was joking.

EDMUND! MAKE SATAN VUNERABLE TO ISIS MEMEBERS!

[sanny devito]

Originally posted by Mallix:

The Guardian is an awesome and fun challenge, I really hope they keep it as it is!

The punching bag is mentally ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ retarded. It NEEDS a better AI

[Shadowspaz]

Speed! can be done with sub-par items if you just beeline to the boss of each floor. That being said, it certainly isn't easy.

Brains just strikes me as the new "Beans." Tedious, long, and based around frustrating weaponry. I'd say it definitely fits the definition of a challenge.

I think the only challenge that really need rebalancing is the Blue Bomber- It s surprisingly easy to end up with impossible room configurations before the boss door, ending the run. On my winning run, I got stuck, but was lucky enough to get a Dice room, reroll the floor, and finish it out. But that was 100% luck, which is no good.

I've only attempted Guardian once or twice, but having a suicidal buddy to protect is pretty rough. lol

[Crazy Bologna]

Honestly, I really hate XXXXXXL. There is no real difficult, just a huge waste of time. I honestly would rather play a different game then play that again.

[Rain]

Originally posted by Shadowspaz:

Speed! can be done with sub-par items if you just beeline to the boss of each floor. That being said, it certainly isn't easy.

It isn't easy, yeah. The main problem I have with that challenge is that some enemies are simply impossible to evade (e.g. almost every enemy that follows you since they are faster than you) unless you do so ridiculously much damage that everything dies in a split second. That's not really a challenge, it's just unnecessarily frustrating and luck based.

To give a good example. I was doing pretty good damage with Dr. Fetus, but then I entered a room with a lot of holes and some of these resurrecting enemies that follow you (no idea how they're called). Since I had quite a lot of shot speed I missed my first shot and then I got stuck inbetween three of those guys. You can guess how that ended for me.