Is it just me, or did the game get nerfed in terms of like everything...

[Phantom]

Item pool has been flooded with tons of bad items

Curses are much more present and occur so much more often (take for instance the curse of maze, when it comes up I am getting warped around at least 50-66% of the time I exit a room... another 33% of the time it randomizes the room you go into something else

And the worst crutch... angel rooms seem to have been cut to 15% from 50%... which is super annoying when all I need is the key, dads key, or the get out of jail card...

Dad's key and GOOJ are pretty rare. Dad's even more so now with the vastly expanded item pool. And when I have to do 9 runs to get one angel room spawn its frustrating... Its not fun to run the first three levels, see if you get an angel room, if not run the fourth, if not restart...

[Ottomic]

Pretty sure you're on a bad streak. Don't blame the game.

[Phantom]

I've done more than half the characters, takes on average 12 runs to get ONE that spawns up an angel room... I don't get hit, ever, I don't pick up dark things, I do donate 10+ coins when possble on the third+ floor...

Its not a bad streak at this point, its altered odds...

Its into the realm of probal impossiblility... 50% odds of an angel room not occuring 9 times in a row... sure it happens. Odds of doing a few hundred runs and only getting a handful of angel rooms... pretty shoddy.

[Ottomic]

Okay, maybe I'm being massively lucky in the face of a total and complete nerf. My mistake.

[Deadbubble]

Originally posted by Phantom:

I've done more than half the characters, takes on average 12 runs to get ONE that spawns up an angel room... I don't get hit, ever, I don't pick up dark things, I do donate 10+ coins when possble on the third+ floor...

Its not a bad streak at this point, its altered odds...

Its into the realm of probal impossiblility... 50% odds of an angel room not occuring 9 times in a row... sure it happens. Odds of doing a few hundred runs and only getting a handful of angel rooms... pretty shoddy.

Thats just bad luck. Angel room chances are unaffected, according to Missing Hud 2. Donate 10 cents to the donation machine to increase the chance of one spawning. Alternatively, do wht I did and get a mod that starts you off with the key, to bypass the RNG.

[BadEvilWrong]

I'm willing to be wrong, but I do believe evil items increase your chances of angel rooms indirectly. If a devil room won't spawn, then an angel room won't spawn, either. Use evil items to increase devil room spawns and overwrite them with donations and bombing devil beggars.

[Icedfate]

I don't think angel rooms have been nerfed. i just did 4 runs and i got the devil room on floor 2 and then every one after that was the angel room.
now devil rooms on the other hand...seem to have been nerfed super hard.
in over 100 runs, I have never seen brimstone, not even once, and 9 times out of 10 its just a red chest or brother bobby or fear shots or something

[Phantom]

devil rooms are supposed to spawn 99% of the time you don't take red heart damage...

I don't take any damage, especially on the first few floors.

Thus I should always get a devil room on the second floor...

Skipping that devil room should give the third and subsequent floors a 50% chance to roll an angel room

Even with 10c donations where possible it doesn't spawn more than 10-20% of the time.

Increasing the devil room odds decreases the likelyhood of the angel room spawning...

[wckowalski]

You can't get angel rooms if you trade hp for an item (even in a black market). You can otherwise pick up all the "evil" items you want, or krampus items or items from devil room red chests. You can even use a credit card to take devil items. There are some things that can raise the chance of them being angel rooms:

http://platinumgod.co.uk/angel-room

[Phantom]

Originally posted by FeMaiden:

I don't think angel rooms have been nerfed. i just did 4 runs and i got the devil room on floor 2 and then every one after that was the angel room.
now devil rooms on the other hand...seem to have been nerfed super hard.
in over 100 runs, I have never seen brimstone, not even once, and 9 times out of 10 its just a red chest or brother bobby or fear shots or something

Yes they nerfed the treasure pools in those rooms, but the reason you see brimestone less is he decreased the likelyhood of the uber pool items spawning, like brimestone while increasing the pool of other items that can spawn in its place, while further halving or more the chance of getting an item period with other spawns, and then sacked the chance of having 3 items spawn in it at once...

Pretty much edmond was like wow people aren't having trouble... lets skew the RNGesus calculator to broken

[Icedfate]

Originally posted by Phantom:

Originally posted by FeMaiden:

I don't think angel rooms have been nerfed. i just did 4 runs and i got the devil room on floor 2 and then every one after that was the angel room.
now devil rooms on the other hand...seem to have been nerfed super hard.
in over 100 runs, I have never seen brimstone, not even once, and 9 times out of 10 its just a red chest or brother bobby or fear shots or something

Yes they nerfed the treasure pools in those rooms, but the reason you see brimestone less is he decreased the likelyhood of the uber pool items spawning, like brimestone while increasing the pool of other items that can spawn in its place, while further halving or more the chance of getting an item period with other spawns, and then sacked the chance of having 3 items spawn in it at once...

Pretty much edmond was like wow people aren't having trouble... lets skew the RNGesus calculator to broken

I dunno, in 2 of those 4 runs, I gor the godhead in an angel room.

but yeah, the angel rooms, I had one run as blue baby and had the goat head and got to go into 5 angel rooms and every one had just blue hearta in it(good for blue baby, but I was hoping for an item or 2)

[Phantom]

Originally posted by wckowalski:

You can't get angel rooms if you trade hp for an item (even in a black market). You can otherwise pick up all the "evil" items you want, or krampus items or items from devil room red chests. You can even use a credit card to take devil items. There are some things that can raise the chance of them being angel rooms:

http://platinumgod.co.uk/angel-room

Well aware of that, and I should be rolling an 70%+ but am rolling around 10% - 20% (at the best)

Angel rooms don't spawn off the devil room odds... they spawn off their own odds, Its often no room period if the angel room doesn't spawn

[wckowalski]

Originally posted by FeMaiden:

Originally posted by Phantom:

Yes they nerfed the treasure pools in those rooms, but the reason you see brimestone less is he decreased the likelyhood of the uber pool items spawning, like brimestone while increasing the pool of other items that can spawn in its place, while further halving or more the chance of getting an item period with other spawns, and then sacked the chance of having 3 items spawn in it at once...

Pretty much edmond was like wow people aren't having trouble... lets skew the RNGesus calculator to broken

I dunno, in 2 of those 4 runs, I gor the godhead in an angel room.

but yeah, the angel rooms, I had one run as blue baby and had the goat head and got to go into 5 angel rooms and every one had just blue hearta in it(good for blue baby, but I was hoping for an item or 2)

If it has an item it will be breath of life, holy water, or dead sea scrolls. If you are playing as the lost it will give you the prayer card, dead dove, rosary, or holy grail.

[Phantom]

I've done all the lost (greed, mega satan, hush) in afterbirth before the greed donation machine bug was fixed (so without holy mantel)

The only thing that MAY be causing me problems then is

I complete floor 2 boss, see the devil room, return and clear out the rest of the floor (if I haven't found the hotspots yet, treasure room, shop, secret, super secret) then return to the boss room... which might lower my odds of an angel room appearing as it sees it twice on that floor?

[Icedfate]

the thing that bugs me is that I read that krampus is supposed to spawn when isaac does "naughty" things, like killing bums and stuff, but I frequently get krampus in the first devil room, even if i've been "nice" and don't blow anything up and i donate to blood machines and everything.

[unknown soldier]

Originally posted by Phantom:

devil rooms are supposed to spawn 99% of the time you don't take red heart damage...

I don't take any damage, especially on the first few floors.

Thus I should always get a devil room on the second floor...

Skipping that devil room should give the third and subsequent floors a 50% chance to roll an angel room

Even with 10c donations where possible it doesn't spawn more than 10-20% of the time.

Increasing the devil room odds decreases the likelyhood of the angel room spawning...

The missing hud 2 mod/overlay is really helpful for showing you the likliehood of devil or angel rooms, in percentage form. From using that i see that (this 1 i knew) you are 100% guarenteed a devil room on floor 2 if you have not taken damage. Then if you skip that devil deal on the next floor you have a 33% chance of a devil or angel room spawning. So this would mean there is a 16.66% chance for a devil, and a 16.66% chance for an angel room. You can then alter the likliehoods by donating to the shop, blowing up beggars etc, as you have said.
So when you think about it 16.66% isnt really a big number percentage wise, so going on streaks of not seeing an angel room for run after run is very much possible, and also highly likely

EDIT:After playing i see i got the percentages wrong. On 3rd floor if you refuse the devil deal on the 2nd you start out with 33% chance of each one, not together, so a 66% chance overall of getting either a devil or angel room. Donating 10 coins and blowing up, or getting a beggar to pay out increases the angel room likliehood to over 50%. So given that my numbers were well out, i guess 1 run out of 12 finding angel rooms is a terrible run of luck