Unlocking Godhead in Afterbirth is absolute, beyond-good-and-evil, ultimate ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

[GrayKiddo]

First of all - I love The Lost. I love the challenge, I love the thrill and I think it's great when all the flaws are accompanied by fair advantages - with lethal joke characters like ??? it is potential benefit from items like Empty Vessel and ♥♥♥♥♥ Of Babylon without the need of avoiding red hearts when you have plenty of blue ones. Even the Keeper can become almost immortal with the combination of Piggybank+Wooden Nickel or Swallowed Penny.

Main advantage with The Lost, of course - it's the ability to take all Devil Room Items for free.

But with adding the condition of beating the Mega Satan, you're basically stripping The Lost of his only compensating point! How am I gonna fight stronger enemies in the Womb or Cathedral? With all those "HP up?" Harsh language? Even if I SOMEHOW manage to survive unpredictable angel's light beams and get both key pieces, there is hardly enough firepower to fight MS! And he is not even as hard as The Hush! Oh, and it's absolutely miserable to get powerful upgrades before the Golden Gates but to hold only one key piece in endless cycle of humiliation.

Let's just get this out of the way - conditions to get the Godhead in Afterbirth NEED TO BE CHANGED OTHERWISE IT'S IMPOSSIBLE.

P.S Yes, I unlocked the Holy Mantle, obviously and no, it doesn't help very much. You can't win with just bare ability to be hit twice. New sacrifice room mechanic is a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ joke.

P.P.S - Glitched competition marks are lovely. Are'n you all glad, guys that all those previous runs for boss rush were pissing in the wind?

And yeah, isn't beating Mega Satan supposed to unlock new co-op babies for you in Afterbirth?

[PlaceHolder]

Now you listen to me young whippersnapper, when I was your age, we didn't have a built in Holy Mantle.
Why, we didn't even have spectal tears!
It took me two hundred hours to get all completion marks.
And then I did it all again after just fifty hours!

Jokes aside, just keep playing until you break the game.
Two Steam Sales and Restock is common.
Sack Head, Blank Card, and Jera is also common.
Eventually, you'll find yourself a Dad's Key or Get Out of Jail Free Card to get past the Gates.

If you're worried about dying, The Battery and The Hourglass makes the game a joke.

Don't forget to only play the game on Hard Mode, yew skrub.

[che_lovek]

Yeah, I've just beaten mega satan with lost just 2 minutes ago, and the first post I find is this.

I did take all the devil deals, I've brought Jera rune with me all along from Necopolis to The Chest, and just as I expcted - I found blank card in one of the chests. So I just spammed it in the first room and eventually got myself Dad's keys.

[GoreMagala]

You clearly don't deserve godhead if you can't win with holy mantle carry. With holy mantle you get free curse rooms and can afford to ♥♥♥♥ up once per room. As for the angels being unpredictable, that it laughable. How did you even get this far if you can't learn basic attack patterns? Now about the keeper, after attempting to unlock Mega Blast, I can confirm that the keeper is HARDER than the lost, even on a hard mode Lost vs normal mode Keeper scale. The keeper requirers you to get the swallowed penny to even stand a ghost of a chance, and the lost now holds the item everyone used to hold R to get. The game doesn't need to get easier. Godhead is supposed to be hard to get, it's supposed to be an ultimate prize for being good at the game. If you're not good enough to win, then you need to get better.

[domuka]

just beat mega satan with the lost a minute ago. wasnt too hard, neither was playing as the keeper. just need some skill and luck.

[Tato]

Originally posted by domuka:

just beat mega satan with the lost a minute ago. wasnt too hard, neither was playing as the keeper. just need some skill and luck.

Pretty much this. It's far from impossible. Even I could do it, and I still take damage in the dumbest places.

[TheGreatBones]

It is not that hard, I was able to do it

[Phyre]

I actually thought doing boss rush as the Lost was more annoying. It's the most random long battle in the game, at least with Hush you have extra levels plus the shop and treasure rooms there to get extra strong.

As for Mega Satan the good thing is you can take your time, so clear every level completely to get as many items as you can from secrets and everything, maybe getting some Perthro's and such as well for useless items. Also like GoreMagala said you can use Curse rooms with Holy Mantle so you have a chance of getting the Dead Cat in a Curse Room this way. Also there's still very good items you can get at times from the angel rooms. If you get the Key quickly from angel rooms opening up fast or from a Goat Head/Joker's you can then take devil deals if you get some afterwards. The Missing Poster is a 1-up for the Lost so if you find one it can be helpful.

Also I have a side question for anyone. Is the reason the global achievements for Eternal God is 0.6% and 1001% is at 2.3% because something I heard you can do with Rebirth/Afterbirth? That is I heard people talking in another game before I had played either back in late November that you could Alt-F4 out of the game to keep your game if you screwed up. Is this why there's such a discrepancy between the orginal Isaac and the new one? I do think the original is more difficult for any given character on hard than the new one, but there's much more to do in the new one as well as playing as the Lost and Keeper is annoying(but fun too). So it seems to me the completion should be close to same or possibly even lower for Rebirth/Afterbirth over the orginal. It took me almost double the time just because of the Sheer volume to complete everything in Rebirth/Afterbirth over the orginal.

[Phaper]

The Lost strategy is the same in Rebirth + Afterbirth.

Re-roll until you get amazing items for whatever you're aiming for.

The ideal for a Mega Satan run would probably be Battery + extra card slot + Blank card with Joker and Credit Card, or aim to pick up Diplopia.

[puur]

Originally posted by GoreMagala:

You clearly don't deserve godhead if you can't win with holy mantle carry. With holy mantle you get free curse rooms and can afford to ♥♥♥♥ up once per room. As for the angels being unpredictable, that it laughable. How did you even get this far if you can't learn basic attack patterns? Now about the keeper, after attempting to unlock Mega Blast, I can confirm that the keeper is HARDER than the lost, even on a hard mode Lost vs normal mode Keeper scale. The keeper requirers you to get the swallowed penny to even stand a ghost of a chance, and the lost now holds the item everyone used to hold R to get. The game doesn't need to get easier. Godhead is supposed to be hard to get, it's supposed to be an ultimate prize for being good at the game. If you're not good enough to win, then you need to get better.

this
the holy mantle made lost pretty viable in general

[j0bs]

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[Phaper]

Originally posted by Fusion:

Originally posted by Phaper:

The Lost strategy is the same in Rebirth + Afterbirth.

Re-roll until you get amazing items for whatever you're aiming for.

The ideal for a Mega Satan run would probably be Battery + extra card slot + Blank card with Joker and Credit Card, or aim to pick up Diplopia.

You can't because then you lose holy mantle forever

None of those items re-roll the Lost's items.


@GoreMagala: Godhead isn't even the best item in the game. It's good, but it's not worth the suffering unlocking it causes, and it's definitely not a reward for 'gitting gud'; it's a reward for being good AND being very lucky.

[Herr Sten]

Pretty sure the D4 rerolls the mantle.

[domuka]

Originally posted by Fusion:

Originally posted by Phaper:

The Lost strategy is the same in Rebirth + Afterbirth.

Re-roll until you get amazing items for whatever you're aiming for.

The ideal for a Mega Satan run would probably be Battery + extra card slot + Blank card with Joker and Credit Card, or aim to pick up Diplopia.

You can't because then you lose holy mantle forever

i think he means holding r...

[Phyre]

Just doing a restart over and over is lame. You'll get better if you just play every game as is and playing with what you get. You don't need to become godly to beat it with the Lost especially with Holy Mantle. It's a game so play it for fun, but I guess if reseting over and over is some peoples idea of fun then have at it.

I mentioned in my first post a question about why the completetion is so much higher in Rebirth/Afterbirth over the orginal Isaac; if you just want to unlock Godhead find out if that's true if you don't actually care about true accomplishment. I guess I'll check online somewhere or do my own post about Alt+F4 question because curious about that or if people cheat another way or whatever, just seems to high in comparison.

[Phaper]

@Fusion: Yes, I meant holding 'R' and not using the D4.

@Phyre: I agree.

The first hundred or so Lost runs I did I tried my hardest to win. Then I got burned out from losing in situations that I couldn't possibly win in, and took to re-rolling any Cellar starts, or sometimes any floors without an adjacent Treasure room.