Overrated game, play other roguelikes

[Zenzì, il Poliziotto]

Give me a motivation why TBOI should be a good roguelike...

[AGamerSoYeah]

Publicado originalmente por Zenzì, il Poliziotto:

Publicado originalmente por Nargacuga:

Which roguelikes would you say are as good/better? Real talk, I'm hungry for something else that will scratch the itch this game satisfies, and would absolutely adore more options.

Enter the Gungeon
Tiny Rogue
Spelunky
Streets of Rogue
Vampire Survivors
Neon Abyss
Dandy Ace
If you want i can tell you more.

Publicado originalmente por Zenzì, il Poliziotto:

Publicado originalmente por Nargacuga:

Oh, I've played all the ones you've suggested. I'm kind of a fan of the genre. You said you had a lot more suggestions, so I was hoping you'd have something that met what I was looking for. And I'm not saying I'm looking for a game that's easy or difficult. I just like item interactions in particular.

I will repeat it and repeat, if you all want to play it its ok, but u need to understand that is the same gameplay every time, doesnt matter if a character spawns with different items. <-- For this you all are writing that is the best, but is not. 15+ Characters with the tainted its 15+ characters with the tainted, same runs, only playing for the achievements, stop.

So... instead of TBoI, we should play Enter the Gungeon? A game where the only difference between characters is starting items who all still play the same? A game where - as long as the player is bad enough - winning is just getting good items and losing is just getting bad items? A game where - excluding the past - every character fights the same bosses and final boss? A game where I can say everything you said about TBoI to it because the only real differences between the two is the theme, weapons not being passives, ammo, and the dodgeroll? Rather stick to this, RoR2, and FTL when in the mood for a roguelite.

Keep in mind, I could also find parallels with your complaints in Streets of Rogue and Spelunky, Enter the Gungeon was just the easiest to do so. I can't with Vampire Survivors, but that's a different -albeit somewhat similar - genre so new it's yet to have a name other than 'Vampire Survivor-likes' even though Magic Survival came first and was the same genre. Others I might check out later; I've yet to play them unlike the rest, and a new game is a new game.

[Ferry]

These kinds of thread can be reported because they only cause fighting or arguing, and its against TOS.

So people please report the stupid thread and other of the OP's comments and after that don't give em attention, they will get banned after a while

[River]

Publicado originalmente por Zenzì, il Poliziotto:

I will repeat it and repeat, if you all want to play it its ok, but u need to understand that is the same gameplay every time, doesnt matter if a character spawns with different items. <-- For this you all are writing that is the best, but is not. 15+ Characters with the tainted its 15+ characters with the tainted, same runs, only playing for the achievements, stop.

Hey, sorry, I think you meant to reply to someone else? The stuff you're replying to isn't in any of my responses.

[Ferry]

Publicado originalmente por Nargacuga:

Publicado originalmente por Zenzì, il Poliziotto:

I will repeat it and repeat, if you all want to play it its ok, but u need to understand that is the same gameplay every time, doesnt matter if a character spawns with different items. <-- For this you all are writing that is the best, but is not. 15+ Characters with the tainted its 15+ characters with the tainted, same runs, only playing for the achievements, stop.

Hey, sorry, I think you meant to reply to someone else? The stuff you're replying to isn't in any of my responses.

Just report them mate, Its obvious this kid wants attention (they would never spend over a hundred hours in a game that they hate, neither they would comment on mods for this game), so the more the reports, the faster the ban.

[hci7t5r98t97yp0uo0gi8d56]

Publicado originalmente por Zenzì, il Poliziotto:

Give me a motivation why TBOI should be a good roguelike...

1. You shouldn't post something like this in an Isaac forum and not expect, in fact you should not give negative opinion on any game forum. Imagine it as going to vegan activits and saying "I think people should eat meat to balance natural increase of animals as they did in their symbolic 300 million years of evolution and also a fact that livestock animals have no chance of surviving in the wild nor they would feel good in the wild". Of course you will be met with irrational criticism because YOU CAN'T say stuff like that, throw raw meat into a group of same believer. You will be meet only with refuse and denying as it is base of our ego system and defence mechanism of our psyche.
2. Understand that for most people games are just relieve from everyday pain and past mistakes. If a game does the job done, then they will glorify it. Simple as that.
3. Trying to explain game isn't fun, balanced or repetetive to a playerbase that hasn't got tired of abusing blank card + jera on the chest and d20 on Greed Mode for past 8 years is a futile task.
4. Just don't give a crap. If they want to live in their fantasy world, let it be.
Be sure to know how much you are right and why. They don't want arguments because as you already seen, they don't plan on changing their mind no matter what, any time soon.

[Zenzì, il Poliziotto]

Publicado originalmente por Jaded Lune:

Publicado originalmente por Zenzì, il Poliziotto:

you just can't accept that it's not the best and that there are other roguelikes that beat it easy

And you just can't accept that people are enjoying this game. If people want to praise a game you don't like, then that's too bad for you, you can go ahead and enjoy other games without losing sleep over others having fun.
There are popular games that I don't like and I also don't understand why people like them. But at the end of the day they're enjoying themselves and I won't or can't stop them.

Your opinion on this game is disregarded because it's just blatantly false. The way you phrase things makes it seem different than it is.
For example: "there are not different final bosses, 400 items all the same, like 10 items are only a 1 hp up. Playing 1000+ hours its just sad, you will never understand. I dont care if the characters spawns with different items, the gameplay is the same and playing it for 500+ hours is just sad."
You could interpret any other game character like this, like saying that every character is the same but has different stats, health, models/sprites, damage, weapons, etc. It's asinine.

The gameplay isn't the same because many items change how the game works. You also won't always get the same run, you can influence your first item by holding R but if the game is feeling extra stingy it won't give you anything useful afterwards, you can only do so much to influence it.
You're right that a few items are duplicates, however this is barely noticeable. You know this also applies to many other games, right? Many items and weapons are similar to each other.

All the final bosses are different, not sure why you would make this claim. Seems like you clearly don't know enough about it to truly form such an opinion.

Lastly, I don't understand what's wrong with playing a game much if you don't let it consume your life. People don't play 'just for achievements' but for full completion, which is what other people do with other games. Might as well judge people who play games as a whole.

What are you talking about, i said that there is not different final bosses, for example in all the character there are the same one, yes the items is all the same too, only recolors, dont joke with me there are literally like 4 beans but with different colors, same item with different color. I cant understand how you all can like this trash game. Don't compare this crap with games that really deserve.

[Zenzì, il Poliziotto]

Publicado originalmente por Ap2000:

Publicado originalmente por Zenzì, il Poliziotto:

Bro your telling that is the best, literally a copy and paste, its not even fun after 20 hours of gameplay

If that's the case, how did you manage to play it 120+h?

Publicado originalmente por SomnusSpirit:

I'm not OP but if you're looking for something with different mechanics between characters and ways to change those mechanics with unlocks Rogue Legacy 2 might be up your ally, it's a pretty fun game but it can be kinda grindy due to how progression works in that game. It's more of a metrovania type thing then a zelda type thing like TBoI is though

RL 2 is really good, yeah.
I would not call Isaac Zelda-anything really, except it shares the same perspective as Zelda 1. lol

i played it for too long only for the achivements, but it wasn't a good idea anyway, waste of time, how i said, after u complete some characters stop, the gameplay stops there.

[Ferry]

Giving you a warning man, the more you post, the faster the thread will get locked, like I know you're lying else you would not be posting comments on mods, just stop it before its too late and you get actually banned.

Sometimes its best to just keep your mouth shut.

[Zenzì, il Poliziotto]

Publicado originalmente por AGamerSoYeah:

Publicado originalmente por Zenzì, il Poliziotto:

Enter the Gungeon
Tiny Rogue
Spelunky
Streets of Rogue
Vampire Survivors
Neon Abyss
Dandy Ace
If you want i can tell you more.

Publicado originalmente por Zenzì, il Poliziotto:

I will repeat it and repeat, if you all want to play it its ok, but u need to understand that is the same gameplay every time, doesnt matter if a character spawns with different items. <-- For this you all are writing that is the best, but is not. 15+ Characters with the tainted its 15+ characters with the tainted, same runs, only playing for the achievements, stop.

So... instead of TBoI, we should play Enter the Gungeon? A game where the only difference between characters is starting items who all still play the same? A game where - as long as the player is bad enough - winning is just getting good items and losing is just getting bad items? A game where - excluding the past - every character fights the same bosses and final boss? A game where I can say everything you said about TBoI to it because the only real differences between the two is the theme, weapons not being passives, ammo, and the dodgeroll? Rather stick to this, RoR2, and FTL when in the mood for a roguelite.

Keep in mind, I could also find parallels with your complaints in Streets of Rogue and Spelunky, Enter the Gungeon was just the easiest to do so. I can't with Vampire Survivors, but that's a different -albeit somewhat similar - genre so new it's yet to have a name other than 'Vampire Survivor-likes' even though Magic Survival came first and was the same genre. Others I might check out later; I've yet to play them unlike the rest, and a new game is a new game.

OMG u really said that etg that is all the same?? Every character have a different final boss, u dont need to have good guns to win, u can literally win with every gun, no one give u the free win, needs only the hands, instead of isaac that with godhead or sacred heart u can do 50% of the bosses xD, now i understand why u write this, simple, u dont have hands to play other games. Play isaac that gives u free wins.

[Zenzì, il Poliziotto]

Publicado originalmente por Ferry:

Publicado originalmente por Nargacuga:

Hey, sorry, I think you meant to reply to someone else? The stuff you're replying to isn't in any of my responses.

Just report them mate, Its obvious this kid wants attention (they would never spend over a hundred hours in a game that they hate, neither they would comment on mods for this game), so the more the reports, the faster the ban.

Attentions? why u cant just say that is bad and stop, and u have the private profile xD, so...

[Zenzì, il Poliziotto]

Publicado originalmente por Ferry:

Giving you a warning man, the more you post, the faster the thread will get locked, like I know you're lying else you would not be posting comments on mods, just stop it before its too late and you get actually banned.

Sometimes its best to just keep your mouth shut.

Why i need to lie about this game? Its just bad and stop, doesnt mean that i have 120+ hours i need to enjoy it right? I dont like it, im sorry that u cant just accept that. You just want people to rate it positive regardless of the details, not for me, you have to accept that other people dont like it, but since you don't get it what you want from me.

[Ferry]

Well, you asked for it at this point.

People please just report this creep, they're just doing for being an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, which yet again is against steam TOS. Also the fact that in their profile they have images with Nazi Swastikas (they checked my profile pic, so I did the same to keep it even), it does not help at all, Im not gonna comment to a freak anymore.

[TheFalloutLord]

Why do you even like rougelikes? All rougelikes are ♥♥♥♥ from zelda to isaac to enter the gungeon. As a matter of fact, all videogames are ♥♥♥♥. I don't know why people play videogames instead of just reading a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ book.

[UwU]

Publicado originalmente por Zenzì, il Poliziotto:

I dont like it, im sorry that u cant just accept that. You just want people to rate it positive regardless of the details, not for me, you have to accept that other people dont like it, but since you don't get it what you want from me.

We like it, We're sorry that u cant just accept that. You just want people to rate it negative regardless of the details, not for us, you have to accept that other people like it, but since you don't get it what you want from us.

[M3gadeuce]

All of those roguelikes TC mentioned suck compared to Issac tbh.....The closest Rougelike for me that's of Issac's quality is Slay the Spire.